Waiting, i'm gunna wreck your thread here by going off topic.But I want to ask, since your've done a lot of reading (all those books i mentioned & then some down below)....and yet you call yourself a 'fence sitter'...So i'm taking that to mean that you still attend meetings.HOW, how do you do it...i suppose the social side of things would be different, but how do you sit there for 2hrs and listen to the stuff and read the magazines etc.You must be sitting there going "oh well, thats wrong, thats BS, wrong" over and over in your head every time the guy up the front opens his mouth.
I remember when i went to a few meetings...and what turned me off and put me to sleep was when the Guy up the front asked this Question moreorless: "how much blood is there going to be at Armageddon" and a young 16-17 yearold girl/woman answered and said "Up to the bridels"....i just thought, thats it, this is weird!.
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4JW and Gay Prisoners in Nazi Concen. Camps
by waiting injust came across this essay entitled in full, gay prisoners in concentration camps as compared with jehovah's witnesses and political prisoners" by ruedilger lautmann, sociologist.
nizkor ftp file: holocaust/homosexual/homosexual.002.
"gay prisoners in concentration camps as compared with jehovah's.
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Jesus' Answer for a Sign
by Friend inthe following was originally written as part of a response to criticisms against the belief that the synoptic gospel contains jesus' answer for a sign of his parousia that is realized today.
some of the language is then necessarily a bit unusual because of the originally intended audience.
lately this subject has come up in other circles so i chose to also post the comments to this forum.
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OK presuppose that the bible is true and God is real...so what then should you believe about MAT 24 etc
That he will come like a thief in the night and no one will know the hour.When he comes he will come in a great tumult and like a flood.I kind of find it a little strange that he says he will come like a theif and then gives a sign for it,if thats what the opening vs of mat 24 is :'NAtion against Nation' etc.But it seems his coming will be marked by great troubles and great signs from heaven...and this will spring out of nowhere and be a surprise...like a thief in the night.We can call this time Armageddon....but then again, not all will recognize it as a sign since they will be doing their worldly things etc etc.And the Gospel will be preached to the whole world...i'd take this to mean that the bible will be widely distributed in someway, like it is right now...but then again, that doesn't necessarily mean anything.The key is in the 'thief in the night' bit.So Jesus did 3 things in MAt24...he predicted Jerusalems destruction, told his coming would be like a thief in the night and that his coming would me marked by certain signs and troubles?.
So what does 'this generation' mean...since the bible is true then he couldn't have been talking about The generation he was talking to, atleast not exclusively anyway.So, A wild stab in the dark at its meaning...how about 'this generation' as in THIS SYSTEM OF THINGS...SATANS SYSTEM....SATANS GENERATION?.So, not being concerned about the actual details of MAT24...but just paying attention to the general jist of things and applying faith, this is what i learn.Like a thief in the night.Next..
The book of Revelation:
God will kill or atleast do away with Satan which will culminate at the Battle of Armageddon and everything will be OK for the true believers.
And there will be a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous...for whatever reason.(taking this from the gospels somewhere)
An there are 7 kings....5 have been, 1 is and 1 is yet to come!.Whoever this 7th king is will wage war with the holy ones...but God will intercede at Armageddon and all will be cool in the end.
There...easy as you like! and to think it took JW's 300 odd pages in Revelation:Grand Climax to explain things?
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Modern-day Israel's Identity
by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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Actually these REPORT guys sound like a full blooded cult ...You know, you have to believe them first and join them and THEN they tell you what everything is about.I think they have things a little round the wrong way here!
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Modern-day Israel's Identity
by Onetruesource ini would like to open this discussion on israel, because i have come to learn many things about it.
the bible scriptures continue to prophecy about the nation of israel.
we all know that the natural nation has been disowned by jehovah, because unfaithfulness.
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IS that who they are...LWF?.I thought it was that Bittertruth guy back again.
LWF has a web site though...actually, i dont think it was them.
These REPORT guys are very secretive....a cult within a cult huh...maybe?
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It's not your game anymore
by Seven ini was told by a canadian gentleman last night that.
women don't know "dick" about hockey-unless of course they are canadian women.
hmmmm.
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Zep
How can youz watch Hockey?....i just cant follow it.Whenever i've watched it on TV...half my time is spent trying to figure out who has the damn puk, and just you figure out whos got it, the guy takes a swing and you loose it again.
You guys should take an interest in Cricket...it makes no sense to an outsider but atleast you can see the ball!
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Question for Women.
by spectromize inwhy is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking?
and what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?.
i would really appreciate help, seems i lack in the right touch, tonight i was just told off by a cute lady, i honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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FAUX PAS...very good, i had to look that up waiting!
Nah, actually i was just a witness to it last night...but it just too funny i had to put it up.I probably shouldn't laugh really...the poor bastard got in heaps of trouble!
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Still a kid at heart!
1.All the Tomb raiders
2.Half life
3.GTA2
4.Syphon filter 1& 2
5.Colin Mcrae Ralley
6.Myst and Riven
7.Blade runnerMAME emulator: Galaxian and Galaga!
CCS64 Commodore 64 emulator...best games: International karate and Uridium!
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Does anyone play online games ?
by Simon indoes anyone play any online games ?.
i've tried quake and most of the command & conquer stuff.. maybe we could organise a team event sometime ?
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Does anyone play any online games ?
I've tried Quake and most of the Command & Conquer stuff.Maybe we could organise a team event sometime ?
Only played Age of empires and Doom over the phone.Tried once with the Net...but my server just hasn't got enough bandwidth
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Question for Women.
by spectromize inwhy is it so hard to read what a woman is really thinking?
and what are the no no's when trying to ask a woman for a date and how do you know a woman is interested in you?.
i would really appreciate help, seems i lack in the right touch, tonight i was just told off by a cute lady, i honestly didn't recognized her and made the mistake of telling her so.
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Zep
Heres a tip....Never, when your team is playing in the football finals and yer woman is in the same room...never put up on the wall for all the guys to see, and her,,,,a Poster of a model with your Teams colors painted on her...never, never do that!
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Is there Intelligent life ?
by Simon intwo questions:.
do you think there is intelligent life on other planets?.
do you think there is intelligent life on earth?
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Do you think there is intelligent life on other planets?
Geez, maybe?.What are the chances of life evolving spontaneously...is there a god?.I d o n t k n o w?
Do you think there is intelligent life on earth?
Sure there is...just look at all the American Talks shows around.... Ricki Lake and Oprah and all the rest of 'em...Hey, what about Judge Judy.Besides, who needs more proof of intelligent life than George.W.Bush huh!.