Posts by Zep

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what is atheism?

by Zep in

i use to think that atheism was a denial of the existence of god, or any divine deity...whatever, take your pick.

however, i now believe this is not the full picture.. atheism is the denial that any proof exists to confirm the existence of god.

it doesn't deny that god may exist, only that there is no proof of his existence, and therefore no reason to believe.

Zep

Gopher,

your above definitions seem to be fair. And I dont to nit pick here, but I probably am gunna.

I moreorless consider myself to be an atheist. Atleast thats what I told the mormons that came to my door the other day. I dont think there are any Gods of the traditional kind around, thats what I feel in my gut based on the evidence at hand. Though I do allow for the fact that they may exist (however unlikey), or that there may be a being/creature around in the great cosmos that could fit the definition of 'God'. Just show me the evidence and I'll believe, thats all I say. Until then, I cant.

And just to add to this. If you want to define 'God' as the 'unity of the cosmos', or as 'nature', or as something 'within' man/woman, then maybe I'm a theist?

so...

After having done a little more research here:

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/intro.html#atheisms

It seems i am what is called a 'weak atheist', though not all the time.

Atheism is defined as:

'...an absence of belief in the existence of gods.'

to hold the above position would be enough to qualify you as a 'weak atheist'

Some atheists go to the point where they 'actively believe that particular gods, or all gods, do not exist'. This postion is called the 'strong atheist' postion. This would sum me in respect to Christianity.

So to put it all in a nutshell:

"Weak atheism" is simple scepticism; disbelief in the existence of God. "Strong atheism" is an explicitly held belief that God does not exist.

So says infidels.org

An agnostic can be defined as:

"someone who believes that we do not and cannot know for sure whether God exists."

I'll go so far as to agree that we "do not" know, atleast in certain cases, as to whether a certain God exists or not. But I dont agree that we "cannot know" whether a certain God exists, unless some evidence is provided that proves we cannot know.

An agnostic can also be defined as someone who:

believes that the evidence for or against God is inconclusive, and therefore is undecided about the issue.

I guess this could define me in a certain sense too.

So to sum up. I believe that some Gods do absolutely not exist, and I think the evidence bears this out. I think for others Gods, there is no evidence they exist, and therefore no reason to believe, though I allow for the fact they may exist while at the same time doubting it in the extreme. Other times I think that the evidence is inconclusive either way on the matter of Gods existence and I therefore remain undecided as to whether God exists or not. And still other times, depending on how you want to define the term 'GOD', I am a theist.

So maybe it could be said I am:

25% strong atheist
25% weak atheist
25% empirical agnostic
25% theist

It all depends on what day you catch me, and what religion we are talking about, I suppose. But I usually call myself an atheist.

I've never really made sense to begin with. I dont see why I should start now!

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what is atheism?

by Zep in

i use to think that atheism was a denial of the existence of god, or any divine deity...whatever, take your pick.

however, i now believe this is not the full picture.. atheism is the denial that any proof exists to confirm the existence of god.

it doesn't deny that god may exist, only that there is no proof of his existence, and therefore no reason to believe.

Zep

I use to think that atheism was a denial of the existence of God, or any divine deity...whatever, take your pick. However, i now believe this is not the full picture.

Atheism is the denial that any proof exists to confirm the existence of God. It doesn't deny that God may exist, only that there is no proof of his existence, and therefore no reason to believe.

Some guy called Clash_city_rocker, or whatever, seems to think that atheism is dogmatic. huh???? What is so dogmatic about my definition of atheism, which I believe is actually the correct definition.

Having said that, there really seems to be no difference between atheism and agnosticism.

agnostics are really just closet atheists to me. Thats how i'm seeing it. there really is no difference between the two. Or am I wrong here??????????

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So, what's your I.Q?

by nakedmvistar in

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friends

be honest if you know it.

and yes, we are all aware of how insignificant this number can ultimately be.

but i'm still curious so please share.

Zep

BTW, my IQ = not quite smart enough to see through dub bullshit at first sight. But smart enough never to become a true dub and get baptised etc etc

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So, what's your I.Q?

by nakedmvistar in

jw
friends

be honest if you know it.

and yes, we are all aware of how insignificant this number can ultimately be.

but i'm still curious so please share.

Zep

Mensa is a great place to pick up chicks

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Another Melbourne Bomb Scare!

by Beck_Melbourne in

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friends

the rialto building located in the city business district of melbourne has had another bomb threat.

all those who work for the law firm we work with who are located in that building, have been given the day off.

the authorities are treating the threat as a hoax....but to be on the safe side, some are taking precautions.

Zep

Shera:

"Is it terriost(sp...) threats? Meaning from radical Muslims?"

Nah, its just school kids and drunks.

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There is Intelligence in Israel!

by Perry in

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friends

radical new plan.

for mideast peace.

israeli movement builds for arab population transfer

Zep

PERRY, you responded to realist thus:

Realist said:

how about the israelis finally keep their word and get the hell out of the occupied territories? isn't that what the Us and the rest of the world would demand from any other state who occupied a foreign territory?

Your reasoning might have some merit if you could demonstrate that the "Palestinian" people had ever even been a nation or even a people even once.

=================================

I dont get this "there never was a Palestinian state" argument. I just dont get it. Isn't it irrelevant.

As far as I know back in the 1940's the UN divided up Palestine -thats what the land was called under the British. They gave some to the Jews and some to the Arabs. Neither group has totally happy. Lots of fighting ensues. Israel expands its borders.

Later, Israel lauches a so called pre-emptive strike against Arab forces in 1967 and occuppies more land. UN 242 called for the Israelis to withdraw from what is called 'the occuppied territories', which is Gaza and the West bank, in return for peace with Israel. Lots more bullshit happens and they are still in a mess.

I think the solution is obvious. Something like what with Egypt and the Sinai has got to happen. Israelis get out of the occuppied territories in return for Arab aknowledge for Israels right to now exist and an end to hostilities. Is there any other solution possible. Its all seems cut and dry to me. Unfortunalty it wont happen. Both sides have their own demonology of the other side and continue to play the blame game. Neither side can see its own faults and is too busy pointing the finger.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

Zep

"The Bible says everyone and everything that has ever been created was created by Jesus Christ"

Aww man, I thought Satan created flies, and viruses, and other gory stuff. But it was Jesus fault.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

Zep

Scorpion...

>The word "may" is used to express possibility. It does not mean that it "will" be a diffinite thing to take place. I believe in a time of war in the case mentioned in Deuteronomy 21, a woman may fair better, taken by the capture than left to fend for herself.

So, after the Israelites have BRUTALY MURDERED all the men, women, and children they dont want, as it says at Number31 (slobodan milosevic eat your heart out). They then take all the virgins as SLAVES ...not necessarily for sex, maybe just for cleaning around the house or something, since there is nothing better than have a little virgin slave to clean around the house huh. OF COURSE, they dont have to rape these virgins if they dont want to. But if they so wish, then then can rape these virgin slaves as deut 21 tells. The bible approves of rape

>You also left out verse 14 that pertains to the text.

>14. Should she cease to please you, you will let her go where she wishes, not selling her for >money: you must not make any profit out of her, since you have exploited her.

...So after exploiting her, in others words RAPING her etc. If he isn't happy with her, he must let her go, and isn't allowed to massacre her like he did to the rest of her family...how nice.

OK

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

Zep

deut 21

Marrying a Captive Woman
10 When you go to war against your enemies and the Lord your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, 11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. 12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails 13 and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife.

Translation into plain english:

After you have massacred all the ungodly scum, all the men women and children...dogs, cats, horses,cattle...whatever. If you see a hot attractive virgin above the age of 12, or thereabouts. You may take into you house and RAPE her and keep her as your sex slave...though you should call her your "wife", because it sounds better than "sex slave". Of course, you can only RAPE her after she has mourned the death of her entire family for a month...since she might be a little upset that you murdered he whole family.

Edited by - Zep on 25 November 2002 1:57:43

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It's the brunette's turn

by Seven in

having had to endure the plethora of dumb blonde jokes over the years i felt compelled to share these with you all.. 1. why do brunettes sleep on their stomach's all night?

2. what do brunettes miss most about a great party?

a. the invitation.

Zep

Q.what do you get if you turn a blonde upside down?

A. A brunette with bad breath!