There is Intelligence in Israel!

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  • Perry
    Perry

    Radical new plan
    for Mideast peace Israeli movement builds for Arab population transfer

    There's a new peace plan gaining support in Israel that has nothing to do with making land concessions to Arabs, negotiations with Yasser Arafat, extending the Oslo Accords or creating a new Palestinian state.

    Instead, the seven-point Elon Peace Plan represents a radical departure in Israeli thinking over the last 12 years.


    Benny Elon

    Named for Benny Elon, the relatively small Moledet Party's leader and a member of the Knesset, the new peace plan calls for transferring Arabs from the West Bank and other areas to what Elon calls the "existing state of Palestine" the nation of Jordan.

    Polls show between 20 and 30 percent of Israelis ready to back such a plan.

    In an exclusive interview with WorldNetDaily Editor Joseph Farah, Elon said such a population transfer is not unusual in modern world history, nor is it immoral to contemplate.

    "The solution is moral for both Jews, who have no other homeland, for the Palestinians, who have lost the most in the past wars their homes were damaged and they became refugees," he said. "The world has now reached the understanding that there is no peace in bi-national countries, and that there is an urgent need for separation."

    Elon points out that not one Arab leader has agreed to the most far-reaching Israeli offers for a peace agreement even one carving up Jerusalem and placing part of it in the hands of the Palestinians.

    "The state of Israel must demand the relocation of the refugees as a precondition of peace within any future negotiations," said Elon. "We cannot relinquish these lands, and we cannot live peacefully with the Arab population currently living in them. And we cannot succumb to the current, politically correct 'solution' the creation of an Arab terrorist state, bent on our ultimate destruction and willing to sacrifice its children toward this end."

    The seven-point Elon plan calls for:

    • Jerusalem's recognition that Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority, established under the lengthy peace process begin in Oslo in 1993, is the enemy of Israel.

    • The forcible removal of all terrorists and all weapons from the West Bank or Judea and Samaria, as these lands are called by many in Israel.

    • The nullification of the Palestinian Authority as a legitimate entity and the canceling of the Oslo Accords.

    • The establishment of a cease-fire and negotiations under international auspices to relocate refugees in Arab countries and the dismantling of refugee camps, along with the establishment of a Jordan-Palestinian state with Amman as its capital.

    • Arabs who remain in Judea and Samaria would be offered citizenship in the Jordanian-Palestinian state.

    • Arab citizens of Israel also would be offered such status.

    • If the Arabs of Judea and Samaria breach the terms of the agreement, they would be forcibly deported to the other side of the Jordan River.

    Elon is the political successor of late tourism minister Rehavam Zeevi, who was assassinated last year by Palestinian gunmen. He had launched his political career by advocating the voluntary transfer of Arabs to neighboring states.

    "The high expectations of Oslo became deep disappointment," explained Elon. "Instead of peace, there has been so much bloodshed. When you look at it, transfer is the only conclusion. It is the only light at the end of the tunnel."

  • Skeptic
    Skeptic

    This is a joke right?

    It smells a lot like the German propaganda for the "Final Solution" to the Jewish problem in WWII. Germany was just going to relocate all the Jews...

    It is like Canada's solution in WWII as well...."relocating" all Japanese people to those nice little "homes", er, prisons...and who gives a fuck if all their property and possesions are destroyed. Not to mention friends and families torn apart.

    Tearing people from their homes and forcing them to move elsewhere because of their race is barbaric and sick.

    Folks, due to U.S. Immigration laws I was "relocated" back to Canada last year. Taken from a nice home to a shabby apartment. Lost my fiance and the love of my life. Lost my stepsons and my 9 year old son lost his stepmom whom he considers to be his real mom. He still crys for her.

    Her youngest son misses me. How do you tell a young child that daddy isn't coming home anymore because it is against the law? But mommy, my stepdaddy could live here last year....

    She still crys for me...

    Now this pathetic situation is due to laws that I consider sort of reasonable. Think of how much more crying there will be when an entire race is relocated.

    Richard

    Edited by - Skeptic on 15 November 2002 5:24:40

    Edited by - Skeptic on 15 November 2002 5:43:8

  • Perry
    Perry

    Skeptic,

    I understand your initial response. I posted the below a few weeks ago. I believe you are comparing apples and oranges here.

    Palestine Is a Fiction.

    Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled at various times by Jewish Kings, Rome, Islamic and Christian crusaders, the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. They also carved out other Arab nations at the same time. Palestine was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.

    Palestinians have no unique culture, no language known as Palestinian, and are indistinguishable from Jordanians, Syrians or Iraqis for that matter. In fact, the term was given to the region by Rome after a smashing blow was delivered to in 70AD. This was merely a psychological attempt to erase the Jewish culture and identity by naming it after a people who the Jews conquered centuries before. By the time of the Jewish revolt and the Roman victory, the Philistines had long been extinct as a people.

    Still, Jews persisted in Jerusalem , even numbering around 40,000 by the turn of the 20th century, while arabs numbered only around 7000. If Jerusalem was so damn holy to them, why werent there more of them there?

    The reality is that the Arabs poured into Israel after the 1967 war when they took care of business in a very surprising crushing defeat over several invading Arab nations. The irony is that the quality of life and degree of freedom was better for Arabs in Israel than in many of their their native countries. Only then did we start hearing about Israeli bigotry and how Jerusalem was Islams holiest of cities. It was all propaganda.

    Way back 1977 , the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

    The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to certain cities, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand, Beer-Sheva and others. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite with Jordan.

    In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here's what he said:

    "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can , and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel."

    The above statement should be self evident when we consider what happened at the last meeting orchestrated by President Clinton between Israel and Arafat at . At that conference, the Prime Minister offered to give up large amounts of land and even half of Jerusalem.... most all of the things that the Palestinians have said they wanted all along. What happened? While the whole world held its breath in hopes of peace, Arafat simply thumbed his nose at the inhabitants of this planet and went home to prepare for war.

    The fact that Arafat has close ties to numerous terrorist groups is beyond dispute. He is a mass murderer dedicated to the extinction of a people. Now, personally, I think Arafat should be arrested, tried for crimes against humanity and summarily shot. But, if we're not going to do that, the next most rational and logical course of action to take with regard to this monster is to ignore him.

    • We should stop sending taxpayer dollars so he can build palaces in the and pad his Swiss accounts.
    • We should stop pretending he is a moderate Arab leader who truly seeks peace.
    • We should encourage our European friends to cut off all the blood money they pay him
    • We should tell the Saudis they had better stop supporting him or we'll confiscate their oil fields.
    • We should tell the Israelis to do with him as they please.

    It's not too late to say no to another Arab terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Palestine .

    We also need to allow our ally in this terror war, our only true ally in the Middle-east to defend herself. We need to stop putting the handcuffs on Israel . We need to stop meddling in her affairs. We need to stop giving ultimatums to the only party in the dispute who actually listens to us.

    Edited by - Perry on 15 November 2002 5:47:46

  • Skeptic
    Skeptic

    Bullshit. It is still "relocation" by race. You are moved from your home simply because you are Palestinian?

    Look at the trouble Israel's housing policies are causing. Palestinian families are forced out of their home...homes that have been passed down since their grandfather built it...so that it can be bulldozed down and a new home built for a Jewish family.

    If Israel hasn't got enough room for its citizens, then why don't they simply refuse to let more people emigrate to Israel?

    I am Canadian by birth. My landlord is an East Indian immigrant and three or four generations live in his home. I guess it is perfectly reasonable to force four generations out of his home so that me and my son can live there instead. After all, I am a natural born citizen, so I should have more rights than him, correct? Better yet, lets force him to move back home, to his own "kind", in another country. They will be fine, because East Indians in Canada are indistinquishable from those in India, right?

    Such racist policies are sick, sick, sick.

    Why stop at race? Why not use religion as the basis for relocation? After all, getting peace in Ireland is really easy. Remove either all the Protestants or all the Catholics. Why didn't they do it decades ago?

    Damn, I could get a Nobel Peace Prize.

    Applauding Removal of All Catholics From Ireland

    Irish Catholics have no unique culture or religion and are indistinguishable from American, British, or Canadian Catholics for that matter. They only exist in Ireland because of silly historical reasons that happened hundreds of years ago.

    The irony was that Catholics in Ireland enjoyed greater freedom than many in their homelands.

    Here is what a Irish Catholic spokesman once said: "Since we cannot defeat Protestants in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can , and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. "

    The fact that Irish Catholics have close ties to numerous terrorist groups is beyond dispute.

    • We should stop pretending they are moderates who truly seek peace.
    • We should encourage our European friends to cut off all the blood money they pay them
    • We should tell the Catholics they had better stop supporting him or we'll confiscate their churches and bank accounts
    • We should tell the Protestants to do with them as they please.

    It's not too late to say no to a Irish Catholic terror state. It's not too late to tell the truth about Irish Catholics .

    We also need to allow our ally in this terror war, our only true ally in Ireland to defend themselves. We need to stop putting the handcuffs on Irish Protestants . We need to stop meddling in their affairs. We need to stop giving ultimatums to the only party in the dispute who actually listens to us.

    Edited by - Skeptic on 15 November 2002 6:4:9

    Edited by - Skeptic on 15 November 2002 6:15:28

  • Perry
    Perry

    I agree that the ideal is for people to live together in peace and tolerance. However after a half century of war, this conflict has spread across oceans and now threatens the peace of the entire world.

    Here's why I beleive the comparison you presented to not be a very good one.

    Irish Catholics are not dedicated to the extermination of another people and their nation.

    The Arabs are.

  • Realist
    Realist

    LOL,

    this is quite a solution!

    how can anyone criticize germany for what it did or hussein for what he tried with kuwait if this is considered a 'peaceful' and just solution? this deserves nothing more than a big laugh in the face of that asshole who made that comment!

  • Perry
    Perry

    Realist,

    I'm just as frustrated as anyone else and I live in America. What would be our attitude if we were living there? It's much easier to find the holes in something than to find a solution. Personally I do not see much of a solution.

    If the Palastinian objective is simply to destroy a sovereign nation and expand the borders of Jordan as the Palestinian high official declared, then what if anything can be done for peace in the region? What would you suggest? Did you even read those quotes by Arafat and the cabinet member?

    Let me ask you a question. If the international community together with Israel, gave every man, woman and child Arab who was living in Israel $100,000.00 for relocation, it would be far cheaper than the cost of destructive wars with no solution other than extermination of the Jews.

    I'm not saying that the plan isn't radical. But is the extermination of the Israeli state less radical?

    Edited by - Perry on 15 November 2002 7:47:22

  • Realist
    Realist

    how about the israelis finally keep their word and get the hell out of the occupied territories? isn't that what the Us and the rest of the world would demand from any other state who occupied a foreign territory?

  • Perry
    Perry

    Realist,

    Quit babbling and say somethin intelligent.

    The Israelis have offered all that and much, much more including half of Jerusalem, huge tracts of land from a nation already smaller than New Jersey, a sea port and complete national autonomy. All this was rejected and the killing just resumed. Could it be that the Palestinians simply want to destroy the Israeli state?

    I believe that is without question the goal. So, I'm waiting....what would you suggest?

  • Perry
    Perry

    Realist said:

    how about the israelis finally keep their word and get the hell out of the occupied territories? isn't that what the Us and the rest of the world would demand from any other state who occupied a foreign territory?

    Your reasoning might have some merit if you could demonstrate that the "Palestinian" people had ever even been a nation or even a people even once.

    I'm not looking for an argument here nor looking for what is NOT a solution.....just wondering what people thought might be a possible solution under the circumstances.

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