Posts by zev

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GOOD cult control techniques

by philo in

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with logical's post in mind, i want to start a thread about something positive.

the wt are positively good at controlling their followers.. which is your favourite wt control technique, and why??????????.

the best contibution wins six million devoted worshippers and a 40 year conditional canonisation in the pages of the wt.. the one i like is so good because it works from 'on high' as well as among the orphans and widows at the congregation.

zev

expatbrit516,

good one.
i liked that. Brought a to me face.

g'day

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zev

Edited by - zev on 28 February 2001 22:24:45

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Are these men appointed by holy spirit?

by zev in

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one of the things that has bothered me for years, in this organization is how appointments are made.

its alleged to be done by holy spirit.

or by men whose decisions are effected or influenced by holy spirit.

zev

I got the article from todays study scanned. I figured out i had to do it by the collum, at least with this lame software i have to use.
I'll be working on todays article...i need to gather some thoughts before I indulge myself.

I was kind of wondering if some of the active JW's could participate in this discusion. I really would like to hear what you have to say.

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Are these men appointed by holy spirit?

by zev in

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friends

one of the things that has bothered me for years, in this organization is how appointments are made.

its alleged to be done by holy spirit.

or by men whose decisions are effected or influenced by holy spirit.

zev

All good points gentlemen.

Thanks. I just got off the slacker wagon and realized todays study article was about this very thing. I tryed to scan it into a text docutment for reprisal and submission. Do any of you recommend a program thats good at scanning the printed page and converting it to a doc, txt, html, or and readable format for editing? I use a twain driver, so it would need to be compatible with that.

thanks

more will follow on this subject for sure.

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zev

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would exist love without the existence of sex?

by andrespvcl in

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would exist love without the existence of sex?

zev

speaking from personal expierence...
not a hell of alot.

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hello from a newbie....

by chipster in

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hello everyone from a newbie...my ex-fiance( i still love her dearly) turned me on to this site...what a great place!!.

i was dfd a year ago and decided not to come back....and ya know what???

there is life after dfing....wow... hope you guys will have me here for a while......... love and peace to all!

zev

het chipster...

welcome...someplace in the "sex" forum is a thread called
hello? hello? hello?
tell us your story.
many intersting posts to ya

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Are these men appointed by holy spirit?

by zev in

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friends

one of the things that has bothered me for years, in this organization is how appointments are made.

its alleged to be done by holy spirit.

or by men whose decisions are effected or influenced by holy spirit.

zev

One of the things that has bothered me for years, in this “organization” is how appointments are made. Its alleged to be done by holy spirit. Or by MEN whose decisions are effected or influenced by holy spirit. I decided it was time to do some of my own research, And draw some conclusions based on it. Please, point out if I am wrong.
Please also, point out if I’m right. The reason I bring this up? It will become plain to see.

w85 8/1 31
Questions From Readers
How does the holy spirit work along with the modern-day Governing Body in the appointment of elders?
The apostle Paul told Christian elders from Ephesus: “Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.”—Acts 20:28.
Paul did not explain in detail how God’s spirit functioned in such appointments. However, we can gain insight from what occurred when the first-century governing body considered a question concerning circumcision.
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So without there being some audible directive from heaven on the circumcision question, those of the governing body could accurately say that “the holy spirit” had led to their decision.

Here is where zev starts to get upset!

It is similar with the appointment of Christian men to be elders, or overseers, in the congregations today. Periodically a group of elders (likely including a traveling overseer of the Society) meet to consider recommending brothers for appointment as overseers. Those in the group have themselves been appointed as elders and they manifest in their lives that they have the spirit.

I believe in Jehovah. And Jesus, and that the power they use is called holy spirit. I have no doubts as to their existence. But these men are appointed by gods holy spirit? And they, in turn appoint others? By means of this same spirit? Last time I checked, Jehovah god did not make mistakes. Niether did his son. Read on:

Their discussion is opened with prayer for the spirit’s guidance. Then, during the meeting, they analyze whether each brother being considered measures up to the qualifications for elders set out in the Bible, which have been recorded under the direction of holy spirit. (1 Timothy 3:2-7; Titus 1:5-9) They also consider whether the brother evidences in his manner of life that he is “full of spirit and wisdom.” (Acts 6:3) If they agree that he is of that sort and meets the qualifications to a reasonable degree, their recommendation is forwarded to the spirit-designated Governing Body or its chosen representatives. Later the congregation may be informed that the brother has been appointed.

OK. I have questions now. If Jehovah doesn’t make mistakes, or errors in judgement, and he appoints these men as elders or ministerial servants, by means of holy spirit, which he is using on these “MEN” to do the appointing and make the right decisions, WHY ARE THE MEN APPOINTED TO THESE POSITIONS ALLOWED TO SERVE, WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY KNOWINGLY TO THE PERSON APPOINTED, DOING WRONGS THAT, ACCORDING TO MOTHER BORG, THEY SHOULD BE DISFELLOWSHIPED FOR? If holy spirit indeed directed these “men”, then this should NEVER happen, right?

And even after they are appointed, and they serve for years, still commiting these wrongs, any wrong I’m saying, it doesn’t matter what, I know of cases where this has been done. If this is Gods organization, why does the almighty allow this to happen in his earthly organization? Surely he would never tolerate such a thing….would he? If indeed it was his spirit doing this appointing, could he knowingly let someone commiting these wrongs be appointed? I don’t think so.

Understandably, the appointed elder is still imperfect and may have limitations. But the apostles were imperfect, both before Jesus chose them and later when they served on the governing body. (Luke 9:46, 54; 22:54-62; Galatians 2:11-14) They certainly did, though, have God’s spirit and were appointed under its guidance. Comparably, brothers and sisters can be confident that ‘the holy spirit has appointed the overseers, to shepherd the congregation.’ (Acts 20:28)

Nope, I cant say I feel confident, can you?

It is regarding such men that the counsel is given: “Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out imitate their faith.”—Hebrews 13:7.

Yes, remember that these are….MEN, running a printing BUSINESS, and its becoming painfully plain to me that there is NO WAY holy spirit is directing these MEN.

comments?

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zev

Edited by - zev on 24 February 2001 19:38:24

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Newbie With Questions

by NoLongerAjw in

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hi, i just found this board yesterday.. i have a question or two.. for one i am sorry if this is not where i should post this.. if it is not please direct me where to go .. 1st question... is this for current witnesses or ex witnesses?

i havent been to the kingdom hall for almost 2 years.. i was directed here by someone who said it was for ex witnesses.. but the front page looks like it is for witnesses to have bible studies.. and such.. which is not what i am looking for i did that for 14 years.. till i got married had 2 kids and finally got a life now at the age of 24.

2nd... can you tell me which board on here a newbie like me can post their experinces and such.

zev

NoLongerAjw,

welcome aboard. this is EXACTLY where you should be :)

zev

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Dateline last night

by somebody in

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did anyone happen to watch dateline last night?

i was watching it and noticed a lot of simalarities to the jw...

"relgion?

zev

it was a cult. a "Local" guy who had a small following of about
20-40 members.

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Dateline last night

by somebody in

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friends

did anyone happen to watch dateline last night?

i was watching it and noticed a lot of simalarities to the jw...

"relgion?

zev

i watched it.
first 10 minutes i didnt know what it was about
i thought it was too about them too. it was scary
when you heard what that guy was saying.
all to close to reality in the "society"
except for what happened in the end.
very sad.

zev

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Question to adult convertees

by expatbrit in

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i'm going through the forehead smacking phase of wt recovery.. how could i ever have believed this stuff?

(smack!).

and for so long?

zev

expatbrit516,
:I'm going through the forehead smacking phase of WT recovery.
:How could I ever have believed this stuff? (smack!)
:And for so long? (smack!)
:Why didn't I investigate properly sooner? (smack! smack!)

I, like yourself, and so many others, have known nothing but, mother borg. I am only now after 30+ years, asking myself these very questions. While talking to somebody the other night, ( :) ) I said, I have had concerns and doubts for a long time. I have not investigated or pursued these doubts, as most of us are taught that to do so is a "bad thing". There is something that I have known is bothering me. I have not in many years been able to put a finger on it. I am only now starting my quest for truth. I have not done so much reading in years as I have in the last month. I am thirsty for knowledge. I cannot quench this thirst. I know someday soon, I will find what it is that disturbs me most and it will then be as plain as day. Until then I am reading, lurking looking, and studying. I will find it. The Truth is out there. And in the words of Mulder....
trust no one :)

zev

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