once you really start thinking about it, the whole paradise idea is kind of depressing.
i remember growing up as kids my sister was the first to tell my parents (admittedly very courageously) that she wasn't sure she wanted to live in paradise, it sounded boring living forever.
i thought she was dumb for thinking that, i mean playing with lions!!!!
TD - Thank you for your insightful reply, I appreciate the information very much. This has been one of my longest standing questions/thought experiments, and one of the first to cause me to question the promises made in the Bible and by JW's. I can only hope that some of my JW family members will find this information..."digestible."
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
once you really start thinking about it, the whole paradise idea is kind of depressing.
i remember growing up as kids my sister was the first to tell my parents (admittedly very courageously) that she wasn't sure she wanted to live in paradise, it sounded boring living forever.
i thought she was dumb for thinking that, i mean playing with lions!!!!
TD - You're my hero. Yes, it was only humor, I realize that this is not even a remote possibility. Thank you for explaining it in the correct way. That was awesome.
SCIENCE!
P.S. This has been a subject of some debate in my house lately, namely the suddenly vegan diet of carnivorous paradise animals. You seem to have an excellent grasp on the problems inherent in this conversion. Do you happen to know of other similar roadblocks (I know there are plenty but just a few examples would be very helpful for my JW family should the subject arise again) in other species that make this scenario impossible given their current needs? Any suggestions are appreciated.
once you really start thinking about it, the whole paradise idea is kind of depressing.
i remember growing up as kids my sister was the first to tell my parents (admittedly very courageously) that she wasn't sure she wanted to live in paradise, it sounded boring living forever.
i thought she was dumb for thinking that, i mean playing with lions!!!!
Yes, a tiger is going to eat grass.
Hmm, let's think on this.....If a tiger no longer needed to hunt and chase prey, it would no longer need it's razor sharp claws, muscular and agile body, or amazing senses. Over the generations, such qualities would no longer be useful or necessary, and would therefore not be worth the energetic expenditure to grow and develop. Every physical attribute an animal posses costs the animal in energy to maintain.
Assuming that principle remains true in paradise, what qualities would be useful in that scenario? Well, the teeth would need to become flatter to adjust to the vegan diet. The body would no longer need the immense muscle and physical agility, but rather a good slow grazing body plan that maximizes the available digestive capabilities. All those honed senses? Too expensive. A much simpler set of basic senses (enough to see the grass in front of your face) would suffice.
Essentially, if the natural world still functioned in a somewhat similar manner, paradise would turn all majestic tigers into big stupid cow-like creatures in relatively few generations. Evolution's a bitch.
found these gems in this edition:.
- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.
there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.
found these gems in this edition:.
- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.
there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.
Oubliette - Yeah, when she said that I just wanted to scream, "Do you not see how that is fucking crazy?!!"
How will she and every other overzealous J-dub react to these articles?
"Oh, what's this? More bullshit?"
found these gems in this edition:.
- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.
there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.
It's such a core doctrine though, it's difficult to see the reward for the risk of shaking the faith of the older JW's who have had 1914 and 607 carved into their minds for so long. Then again, my mother in law once told me (verbatim):
"If the Organization one day told us not to wear the color blue anymore, we just wouldn't wear it anymore. We wouldn't ask why or question, because when the Organization speaks, it's Jehovah speaking to us."
God I wish I was making that up. We'll see where the insanity takes them. Perhaps they'll just lose the 607 and keep 1914 as a somewhat ambiguous date when Jesus invisibly came to power, sort of like:
"....Because why again? What led us to that conclusion?"
"....Uh.....Um........(shit)......Look out! Armageddon's right behind you!"
(Changes subject)
found these gems in this edition:.
- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.
there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.
found these gems in this edition:.
- keep in expectation!- prepare now for life in the new worldthe passing of time should not cause us to lose hope thatkingdom blessings will be realized.
there are solid reasonsto keep our scriptural expectations alive.
Found these gems in this edition:
- Keep in Expectation!
- Prepare Now for Life in the New World
The passing of time should not cause us to lose hope that
Kingdom blessings will be realized. There are solid reasons
to keep our Scriptural expectations alive. These articles
show how this can be done.
Basically a recap of 607 and 1914 being correct and endless assurances of, "Yes, it is undeniable that the end of this system is close, right over that next hill.......oh wait no, we meant THAT hill......no, no, THAT hill." Oh, and also some nice discouragement of higher education, impatience, questioning, discontentment, and a loss of urgency in these "last days." You know, all the classics.
They're worth a read if you kinda need a drink right now, but want a reason to REALLY need a drink RIGHT NOW.
so, the latest "kids" kingdom melody video is out.. here are some screenshots:.
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yep, that's right, they showed a kid with a teddy bear getting baptized.. here's the video in full for documentation, if you can stomach it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ellrtyj_maq.
Disgusting.
They don't know themselves at that age, they certainly don't know what they are committing to, giving up, nor the consequences should they change their mind, and the Borg doesn't give a damn as long as They get to add one more number to Their end of year tally.
Again, DISGUSTING.
i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.
really?
and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..
Are you people seriously trying to defend the doctrine while denouncing the leadership that created that doctrine?
