Some great points. I was shocked how much sense that diagram made the first time I saw it David_Jay. If you just read what is there in the scripture (without trying to force it to match scientific reality), that diagram is exactly how they saw their world. Certainly one huge point is the lack genetic diversity from Adam and Eve, however I have heard that argued around (not convincingly) by JW's with claims that they were closer to "perfection" with diversity built in. A feeble defense of a really weird premise. I have always wondered what this "perfect" human's genome would look like.
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A Thought Experiment
by InjusticeSystem ini am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment .
the question i would like to pose (and if it has already been asked i apologize, for some reason i cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: what would the evidence show if the jehovah's witness' literal reading of genesis was true?
i realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: if the vapor canopy hypothesis is correct (i have confirmed with my elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?
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A Thought Experiment
by InjusticeSystem ini am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment .
the question i would like to pose (and if it has already been asked i apologize, for some reason i cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: what would the evidence show if the jehovah's witness' literal reading of genesis was true?
i realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: if the vapor canopy hypothesis is correct (i have confirmed with my elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?
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Hello all! I am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment . The question I would like to pose (and if it has already been asked I apologize, for some reason I cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: What would the evidence show if the Jehovah's Witness' literal reading of Genesis was true?
I realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: If the Vapor Canopy hypothesis is correct (I have confirmed with my Elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see? This idea of trying to prove out the Jehovah's Witness belief system in order to disprove it is something that I have flirted with in the past, but I think it would be interesting to see what the combined minds on this forum can come up with.
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Evolution is a Fact #11 - Tiktaalik
by cofty inone of the biggest gulfs that life has had to cross was the transition from sea to dry land.. fish have conical shaped heads, reptiles have flat heads.
fish have no necks; their heads are attached to their shoulders by a series of bony plates.
land-dwelling animals all have necks; their heads can move independently of their shoulders.
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I LOVE reading anything and everything I can about evolution, so thank you for these posts Cofty! Can't wait for number 12!
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Richard Dawkins talking about a Creator
by FusionTheism inrichard dawkins admitted that information inside of dna, and the origin of life on earth, might point to intelligent designers, perhaps extraterrestrials.
(see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boncjbrrdq8 )richard dawkins further admitted, in a debate with francis collins for time magazine, that science might point to a creator existing, but that this creator might not be anything like yahweh:.
time: "could the answer be god?
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FusionThiesm - I have to ask - What is the point of all this?
Richard Dawkins is clearly an athiest in that he does not see either evidence or necessity for a god or creator at this time. However, his comments that you refer to say something wonderful about athiests in general. If there were ever to be good evidence that had been rigorously tested by the scientific method that proved or even strongly suggested that a god or extraterrestrial or any other creator of life and the universe (as opposed to abiogenesis and natural cosmic processes) did in fact exist, do you know what athiests (including myself) would do? Believe it.
Athiests believe evidence, facts, and reasonable thinking. Right now, there just isn't evidence that a god or creator exists. On top of that, whenever we as a species have shoved god into a gap in understanding that we once had, later on those gaps have been filled by knowledge gained by experimentation, observation, and testable theories. Science has an excellent track record of explaining what was once thought to be impossible without a supernatural intervention, and making possible amazing feats that were once only possible by the power of gods.
One thing that is certain - if there is a creator, it IS NOT the god of the bible as he is described therein. I think anyone who is examining the evidence objectively and logically can see that reality.
So again, what is the point of this? If you want people to believe in a god or creator, get out there and find it! Prove that is the truth. You'll be famous, and you'll have helped the entire human race to better understand ourselves and the universe, the core goal of all science. Until that point, all this bickering seems fairly useless.
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Has science replaced the bible? WT June 1 2015
by stuckinarut2 ini picked up a printed copy of the june 1 2015 public edition wt..... before the end of page 1, the stupidity is already evident.. they quote a dictionary, but don't list which one.. they quote a "world- famous physicist", but don't give his name.
the quote looks like it is edited to fit their reasoning.. they quote "others", but no reference to who they are is provided.. the next page quotes "a popular science writer" who??.
then the classic line "jehovah's witnesses respect each person's right to make a decision on this matter".
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These science articles are driving me insane!!!
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August 2015 Awake! FML
by InjusticeSystem ini'm gonna have to stop reading this shit just for my own sanity and the survival of my computer.
august 2015 awake!.
can we please destroy this box that they keep publishing with some actual facts?
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Undeniable by Bill Nye.
The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins.
Amazing scientific truths. Their logic (and the experimental evidence, observation, and reasoning of all good scientists) is:
Undeniable.
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August 2015 Awake! FML
by InjusticeSystem ini'm gonna have to stop reading this shit just for my own sanity and the survival of my computer.
august 2015 awake!.
can we please destroy this box that they keep publishing with some actual facts?
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Hello Everyone,
They're at it again. I'm gonna have to stop reading this shit just for my own sanity and the survival of my computer.
Can we please destroy this box that they keep publishing with some actual facts? They can't use the old, "it's just a theory" anymore, now it's "nope, it's not even a theory. Nope, not a hypothesis either. Nah, it doesn't really exist actually." ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Is Evolution a Scientific Theory?
What qualifies a theory as a scientific theory? According to theEncyclopedia of Scientific Principles, Laws, and Theories, a scientific theory, such as Albert Einstein’s theory of gravity, must
Be observable
Be reproducible by controlled experiments
Make accurate predictions
In that light, where does evolution stand? * Its operation cannot be observed. It cannot be reproduced. And it cannot make accurate predictions. Can evolution even be considered a scientific hypothesis? The same encyclopedia defines a hypothesis as “a more tentative observation of facts [than a theory],” yet lends itself “to deductions that can be experimentally tested.”
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Armageddon in 1975 'probability' or 'possibility'? Irrefutable Proof the Watchtower Said 1975 Was "Game Over!"
by PhilsWager2 init's hard to know where to put this link to a polish book some of you older members probably read, while our newer members are seeking answers to questions the watchtower vehemently deny's!
do i put this under "jw scandals" or "jw beliefs"?
for decades without the internet many of us did not have access to all the publications written by early watchtower writers because access was hard, only men like raymond franz jr(god rest his brave soul) had the golden key for entering the library of all publications jws made.. can some of the older members remember people who sold their homes and others who bought things in the summer or fall of 1974 knowing they won't be paying for their purchases because jehovah will destroy all the creditors records when he kills them!
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May 1969 Awake!
'Nuff said.
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Is it possible to use this thread to compile watchtowers Armageddon illustrations
by jambon1 ini was informed today by a jw that the watchtower doesn't use images and propaganda to instil fear.
i would really like to see a compilation of all their armageddon illustrations.
maybe a thread or web page already exists that had this content.. the one i am really wanting is the most recent picture of the witnesses in the basement during the tribulation.. this will be a massive help so thank you..
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I have noticed that too. I think since they couldn't have their dinosaur in the MBOBS, they decided they would throw in a frightened mother and baby. For comparison:
1978 version:
Current:
Ah, how time changes all bullshit :)
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Is it possible to use this thread to compile watchtowers Armageddon illustrations
by jambon1 ini was informed today by a jw that the watchtower doesn't use images and propaganda to instil fear.
i would really like to see a compilation of all their armageddon illustrations.
maybe a thread or web page already exists that had this content.. the one i am really wanting is the most recent picture of the witnesses in the basement during the tribulation.. this will be a massive help so thank you..
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Since it's my Avatar, I'll leave this one.
What a loving, compassionate God!
