InjusticeSystem

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  Wishing You All Happiness This Evening!

  by InjusticeSystem in

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  i just wanted to share my excitement.

  for the first time in almost 30 years, i am not attending the memorial tonight.

  instead, i am spending the evening at home, celebrating with a glass of scotch.

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  @APeiceOfShitNamedTate

  Nope, not Tony. Sorry friend.

  @Maria Nieves

  Unfortunately it is neither Macallan nor is it an $80 or higher bottle. Just some Glenlivet Founder's Reserve.

  Thank you @days of future passed and @Sea Breeze! Have a great night!
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  Wishing You All Happiness This Evening!

  by InjusticeSystem in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i just wanted to share my excitement.

  for the first time in almost 30 years, i am not attending the memorial tonight.

  instead, i am spending the evening at home, celebrating with a glass of scotch.

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  InjusticeSystem

  Greetings!

  I just wanted to share my excitement. For the first time in almost 30 years, I am not attending the Memorial tonight. Instead, I am spending the evening at home, celebrating with a glass of Scotch. I have made huge changes in my life to afford me this literal and symbolic victory, and I only hope that next year I will be joined by my wife and children to celebrate freedom of mind and freedom of choice.

  I wish you all a safe and happy evening wherever you happen to be in the world!
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  Advice on my JW Mother

  by InjusticeSystem in

  1. social
  2. family

  i need the advice of those of you who are exjw's on what to do about my still in mother.

  briefly, here's the situation: i am a born-in, never got baptised (thank the fsm), became an athiest about 2015 but haven't come out to anyone but my wife and some trusted friends.

  my mother was raised in the society and is a true believer, but was never as strict about it as some parents are when i was growing up.

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  InjusticeSystem

  Hello Everyone,

  I need the advice of those of you who are exjw's on what to do about my still in Mother.

  Briefly, here's the situation: I am a born-in, never got baptised (thank the FSM), became an athiest about 2015 but haven't come out to anyone but My wife and some trusted friends. My mother was raised in the Society and is a true believer, but was never as strict about it as some parents are when I was growing up. We went in service and to meetings and assemblies, belief was always kind of a given. My father died when I was young.

  Now, my mother left the Organisation for several years after she met a new man who was "worldly" and married. She has since divorced him and blames "leaving Jehovah" for all the emotional and otherwise issues that plagued that experience. The divorce broke her emotionally. During the time she was "out" I was also waking up and researching, and we would talk together about some of the things that were wrong with the Organisation and how silly some of it seemed to us. She never stopped believing in Jehovah and the resurrection, but she was inactive.

  Now, post-divorce, she has thrown herself back into the Organization 1000%. She's pioneering, attended an International Convention, the whole deal. No doubt in her mind. I've had conversations with her in the interim and tried to reason using what I now know, but to no avail. Since I'm not disfellowshipped and I'm not brazenly apostate with her, she's still open to having a relationship with me as well as her grandchildren.

  I've heard many times from activists and disfellowshipped people that if they could have any kind of relationship with their family members, even if that meant never talking about religion again, they would. However, I keep finding that I can't stomach the hypocrisy and it feels like a betrayal that she would go back now. I feel guilty because I know how many people would kill to have the opportunity for a relationship with their family members like I could have with her, but knowing that she believes that again seems to be more than I can bear. It's a burning feeling of resentment, knowing that she knows how much I feel that this religion stunted my life and caused me to waste so much valuable time, and she still clings to it.

  Am I crazy? Do I need to just suck it up and figure out a way to have a relationship with her? Or can I just say that for my own mental health, I can't have her be a part of my life anymore?
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  In Search of An Analogy

  by InjusticeSystem in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this finds all of you well.

  i'm also hoping some of you might be able to help me with a particular type of de-witnessing strategy that i'm trying to develop more in my own discussions with active family members.

  it seems to me that analogy and metaphor plays a prominent role in the society's teaching (critical thought killing) techniques.

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  Hello everyone,

  I hope this finds all of you well. I'm also hoping some of you might be able to help me with a particular type of de-witnessing strategy that I'm trying to develop more in my own discussions with active family members. It seems to me that analogy and metaphor plays a prominent role in the Society's teaching (critical thought killing) techniques. We all remember such gems as the dirty gutter lollipop that signified holiday celebrations with pagan origins, and the whiskey bottle IV that somehow showed that you shouldn't get a blood transfusion that were both in the Bible Teach book. (I never said they were good at it.)

  I think that since Jw's learned some doctrine this way (or at least had it reinforced) and are therefore familiar with it and comfortable accepting conclusions drawn from this type of reasoning, it might be an effective way to reach them. My question is this: Have any of you found analogies or metaphors that have been effective at helping an active jw understand how or why a particular belief/practice/bible verse or interpretation/argument is wrong or untrue?

  I'm trying to get a few really effective and clear analogies under my belt to have ready in addition to evidence based arguments, when the time comes.

  Any help is much appreciated!
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  A Thought Experiment

  by InjusticeSystem in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment .

  the question i would like to pose (and if it has already been asked i apologize, for some reason i cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: what would the evidence show if the jehovah's witness' literal reading of genesis was true?

  i realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: if the vapor canopy hypothesis is correct (i have confirmed with my elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?

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  Some great points. I was shocked how much sense that diagram made the first time I saw it David_Jay. If you just read what is there in the scripture (without trying to force it to match scientific reality), that diagram is exactly how they saw their world. Certainly one huge point is the lack genetic diversity from Adam and Eve, however I have heard that argued around (not convincingly) by JW's with claims that they were closer to "perfection" with diversity built in. A feeble defense of a really weird premise. I have always wondered what this "perfect" human's genome would look like.
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  A Thought Experiment

  by InjusticeSystem in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment .

  the question i would like to pose (and if it has already been asked i apologize, for some reason i cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: what would the evidence show if the jehovah's witness' literal reading of genesis was true?

  i realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: if the vapor canopy hypothesis is correct (i have confirmed with my elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see?

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  InjusticeSystem

  Hello all! I am hoping some of you may be up for participating in a little creative thought experiment . The question I would like to pose (and if it has already been asked I apologize, for some reason I cannot search for topics on my mobile) is this: What would the evidence show if the Jehovah's Witness' literal reading of Genesis was true?

  I realize that is a fairly broad question, but for example a more pointed question could be: If the Vapor Canopy hypothesis is correct (I have confirmed with my Elder father that this is still a currently accepted understanding), what evidence in our genome or that of other creatures or on earth would we expect to see? This idea of trying to prove out the Jehovah's Witness belief system in order to disprove it is something that I have flirted with in the past, but I think it would be interesting to see what the combined minds on this forum can come up with.
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  Evolution is a Fact #11 - Tiktaalik

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  one of the biggest gulfs that life has had to cross was the transition from sea to dry land.. fish have conical shaped heads, reptiles have flat heads.

  fish have no necks; their heads are attached to their shoulders by a series of bony plates.

  land-dwelling animals all have necks; their heads can move independently of their shoulders.

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  I LOVE reading anything and everything I can about evolution, so thank you for these posts Cofty! Can't wait for number 12!
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  Richard Dawkins talking about a Creator

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  richard dawkins admitted that information inside of dna, and the origin of life on earth, might point to intelligent designers, perhaps extraterrestrials.

  (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boncjbrrdq8 )richard dawkins further admitted, in a debate with francis collins for time magazine, that science might point to a creator existing, but that this creator might not be anything like yahweh:.

  time: "could the answer be god?

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  FusionThiesm - I have to ask - What is the point of all this?

  Richard Dawkins is clearly an athiest in that he does not see either evidence or necessity for a god or creator at this time. However, his comments that you refer to say something wonderful about athiests in general. If there were ever to be good evidence that had been rigorously tested by the scientific method that proved or even strongly suggested that a god or extraterrestrial or any other creator of life and the universe (as opposed to abiogenesis and natural cosmic processes) did in fact exist, do you know what athiests (including myself) would do? Believe it.

  Athiests believe evidence, facts, and reasonable thinking. Right now, there just isn't evidence that a god or creator exists. On top of that, whenever we as a species have shoved god into a gap in understanding that we once had, later on those gaps have been filled by knowledge gained by experimentation, observation, and testable theories. Science has an excellent track record of explaining what was once thought to be impossible without a supernatural intervention, and making possible amazing feats that were once only possible by the power of gods.

  One thing that is certain - if there is a creator, it IS NOT the god of the bible as he is described therein. I think anyone who is examining the evidence objectively and logically can see that reality.

  So again, what is the point of this? If you want people to believe in a god or creator, get out there and find it! Prove that is the truth. You'll be famous, and you'll have helped the entire human race to better understand ourselves and the universe, the core goal of all science. Until that point, all this bickering seems fairly useless.
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  Has science replaced the bible? WT June 1 2015

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i picked up a printed copy of the june 1 2015 public edition wt..... before the end of page 1, the stupidity is already evident.. they quote a dictionary, but don't list which one.. they quote a "world- famous physicist", but don't give his name.

  the quote looks like it is edited to fit their reasoning.. they quote "others", but no reference to who they are is provided.. the next page quotes "a popular science writer" who??.

  then the classic line "jehovah's witnesses respect each person's right to make a decision on this matter".

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  These science articles are driving me insane!!!
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  August 2015 Awake! FML

  by InjusticeSystem in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm gonna have to stop reading this shit just for my own sanity and the survival of my computer.

  august 2015 awake!.

  can we please destroy this box that they keep publishing with some actual facts?

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  InjusticeSystem

  Undeniable by Bill Nye.

  The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins.

  Amazing scientific truths. Their logic (and the experimental evidence, observation, and reasoning of all good scientists) is:

  Undeniable.