nilfun....My favorite track on the album is "Hustle Rose"....what is yours? If you like the album, you will love their shows.
Leolaia
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Favorite Tunes
by kat2u ini was just wondering what music you like?
which artists?.
and any new albums you personally have and think are good!
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Did Noah really build an ark?
by frogit inthis might be worth a watch for us uk ers.
noah's ark will be broadcast in the uk on bbc one on sunday 21 march at 1900 gmt.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3524676.stm.
it's also an interesting read.
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Leolaia
So you see, the global flood seems still reasonable to me as happening.
Sure, as long as you don't consider any actual geological or climatological evidence, and make outlandish stuff up like God blowing the excess flood water into outer space.
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Please!! Who is there to teach me the ways of Christ Jesus?
by Celtic inplease!!!!!!!!!!!!
cos i'd really like to know more than anything else!!.
please.. please.. please..
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Leolaia
Taken from the words of Jesus in the gospels and a little bit from James:
"The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, it will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying, 'Here it is' nor 'There!' for behold! The kingdom of God is in the midst of you! If those who lead you say to you, 'See the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea', then the fish will precede you. Rather the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. The kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it. What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it. Recognize what is in your sight, for nothing is covered that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. You know how to interpret the apperance of the sky, but you have not recognized that which is before you and you do not know how to interpret this very moment.
"But now the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom is being given to you, for the kingdom of God has come upon you. What is the kingdom of God like? And to what shall I compare it? The kingdom of God is like a mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field; it is (barely visible as) the smallest of seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches. For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. The good man out of the good treasure of the heart produces good, and the evil man out of his evil heart produces evil. Those who hear this word and hold it fast in an honest and good heart bring forth fruit with patience. The kingdom of God is like yeast that a woman hides inside a large amount of flour, (it is not seen but eventually makes itself manifest) until all the dough is leavened. The kingdom is also like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had to buy that field. This is what the kingdom of God is like.
"Do not be afraid, for you are not far from the kingdom of God; your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Do not seek what you are to eat and what you are to drink, nor be of anxious mind about your body or what you shall put on. All the nations of the world seek these things and your Father knows that you need them. But if you instead seek his kingdom, all these things will be yours as well. Life is about more than just food or clothing. The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness, peace, and joy. Give to the poor, sell your own material treasures, and you will have treasure in heaven. It is hard for the rich to enter the kingdom of God, for the first will be last and the last will be first. But truly I say to you, if you love your brother like your own soul, humble yourself like a child, and seek first the kingdom and righteousness, you will enter the kingdom of God. Seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened to you. But anyone who does not approach the kingdom like a little child will not enter it. Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of God. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted for being righteous, for theirs is the kingdom of God. Leap for joy, for behold! Your reward is great in heaven! Give to the poor in secret and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. Fast in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. But also let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven. So whatever you wish that men do for you, do likewise for them. If you forgive men their trespasses, your Father in heaven will forgive you. Treat everyone with equal kindness; never repay evil with evil. All the commandments are summed up in this single command: You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, and mind, and soul, and you must love your neighbor as yourself. Follow this supreme command of scripture, for faith without good deeds is useless. Whoever practices and teaches my commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. And so I confer on you a kingdom, as my Father conferred one on me.
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Passing the time at JW Assemblies
by Leolaia inlove_truth, in describing the utter dullness of jw assemblies and conventions, just gave me an interesting idea for a thread.
what were some of the ways you tried to make the hours pass?
some of mine: looking at the interesting refracting patterns the arena floodlights made on my eyeglasses when looking thru them at an angle.looking for people i knew from my congregation and others in the mass of people in the arena.counting the number of people leaving the section to go to the bathroompractice writing people's names in elvish scripthaving a conversation with friends a row behind me by passing notes back and forthseeing how many pages of my bible stick together when i slam a wad of gum in between its pages.. what else?
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Leolaia
betweenworlds.....Thanks so much, and man how I wished I had that game when I was a dub....
4JWY....Your seagull story reminded me of what happened once when I was in London on my last day, trying to figure out where to go for dinner. I had my guide book open, looking at the places listed, trying to find the best one when plop into my hair and into the book came a load dropped from above. The gloop dripped through my longish hair and I had to find a place to rinse my hair -- fast. But the only place I could find that had a bathroom was a nearby restaurant (this was near Royal Albert Hall). But in order to use the restroom, you had to be a paying customer. So in a very real sense, the pigeon flying overhead chose the restaurant for me.
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Favorite Tunes
by kat2u ini was just wondering what music you like?
which artists?.
and any new albums you personally have and think are good!
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Leolaia
And any new albums you personally have and think are GOOD!
BROKEN SOCIAL SCENE -- YOU FORGOT IT IN PEOPLE
METRIC -- OLD WORLD UNDERGROUND
Great music from Canada and well worth every penny. The BSS album is amazingly eclectic but holds together really well. And Metric is simply amazing -- download their old stuff too, which is not available on CD.
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Did Noah really build an ark?
by frogit inthis might be worth a watch for us uk ers.
noah's ark will be broadcast in the uk on bbc one on sunday 21 march at 1900 gmt.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3524676.stm.
it's also an interesting read.
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Leolaia
Jesus used Noah as an example of the End Times, so for anyone who accepts Jesus and his words as real, Noah, the Ark and the Flood are also real. I do believe Jesus and his teachings are real.
1) The situation of the "days of Noah" is used as an illustration of the end times. Illustrations are made to explain the nature of the subject under discussion, not to assert the situation being used as a comparison was an actual, real event. It was irrelevent whether the story was fictional or historical, especially since the gospel Jesus made up stories anyway for illustrations. 2) Assuming that the gospels represent a Jesus of history (which is a big assumption), there are many who accept some of the Jesuine logia material as representing what Jesus said and other logia as representing later oral tradition. Apocalyptic material such as that concerning the "days of Noah", concerned especially with the events of A.D. 66-70, is more likely derived from the communities where the synoptic gospels took shape than Jesus himself.
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Do any of you now believe in the hellfire hell of eternal physical torment?
by True North ini know that many ex-jws have joined various christian denominations or have become non-denominational christians.
do any of you now believe in the hellfire hell of eternal physical torment?
if not, do you now have some other view of hell that differs from the jw view of it?
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Leolaia
No, I do not accept it as a matter of belief. But I do recognize, contrary to the WTS, that the concept of hell is biblical.
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Passing the time at JW Assemblies
by Leolaia inlove_truth, in describing the utter dullness of jw assemblies and conventions, just gave me an interesting idea for a thread.
what were some of the ways you tried to make the hours pass?
some of mine: looking at the interesting refracting patterns the arena floodlights made on my eyeglasses when looking thru them at an angle.looking for people i knew from my congregation and others in the mass of people in the arena.counting the number of people leaving the section to go to the bathroompractice writing people's names in elvish scripthaving a conversation with friends a row behind me by passing notes back and forthseeing how many pages of my bible stick together when i slam a wad of gum in between its pages.. what else?
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Leolaia
4JWY and nojudgement.... Welcome to the forum!!!
nojudgement....That story is too funny! :) I don't recall food projectiles but I do remember some brother getting sick and vomiting. I lucked out all along having an indoor arena. 4JWY....Hey I remember those loooong conventions too. The first one I went to in 1978 (the year the My Book of Bible Stories was released, I think), the first day was on Wednesday in the evening and it went on to Thursday and then Friday and Sanurday had morning, afternoon, and evening sessions, plus Sunday.... a real, mammoth convention. The local newspaper even had a special section devoted all to the convention. I vaguely recall the kitchen and maybe one year helping out, but it was so long ago I'm not sure if that is the case or not.
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Passing the time at JW Assemblies
by Leolaia inlove_truth, in describing the utter dullness of jw assemblies and conventions, just gave me an interesting idea for a thread.
what were some of the ways you tried to make the hours pass?
some of mine: looking at the interesting refracting patterns the arena floodlights made on my eyeglasses when looking thru them at an angle.looking for people i knew from my congregation and others in the mass of people in the arena.counting the number of people leaving the section to go to the bathroompractice writing people's names in elvish scripthaving a conversation with friends a row behind me by passing notes back and forthseeing how many pages of my bible stick together when i slam a wad of gum in between its pages.. what else?
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Leolaia
Ten minutes later, she was wanking me off beautifully whilst I played with her clitoris, keepin straight face was difficult, but ruddy well worth the orgasms that followed.
Finally someone who really enjoyed themselves at a convention! I was wondering where all the theocratic types were!
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Tartarus in 2 Peter 2:4
by Leolaia inin my recent thread on the nephilim and the rephaim (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/68224/1.ashx), i indicated that the legend of the titans was broadly related to the canaanite and hebrew myths of the nephilim and rephaim, but here in 2 peter we see more recent hellenistic influence on jewish legend.
according to hesiod and other greek writers, the titans were the wicked offspring of ouranius and gaia ("heaven" and "earth") who initially had sovereignty over the cosmos but whom zeus and the olympian gods defeated and consigned to eternal bondage in the prison called tartarus in the netherworld.
iliad 8:13-16 describes tartarus as a bottomless pit located below hades, a distinction reminiscent of hades and the abyss of revelation.
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Leolaia
I think I already replied to a similar statement of yours on another thread.
Myth is not history. Historians require documentation for alleged historical facts that can stand up to various tests and proofs for accuracy and historicity. Unsubstantiated folklore, saga, myth, etc. do not qualify as history. You, JCanon, may want to believe that there really were angels and demons that intermarried with human women and beget giants, but that is a matter of faith and not history. Only when empirical independent evidence for a mythical event or personage exists can a historian treat the myth as containing historical material -- until then it is an unsupported assertion inferior to a purely mythological analysis. I have done just such an examination of the evidence of the Titans/Rephaim/Nephilim in my recent thread (see the link in the first post of this thread), and I found many such historical elements -- but none of them have anything to do with the supernatural descent myth. They are rather elements (e.g. like the names "Didanites", "Titan", "Mopsus", "Phoenix", etc.) that incur into the earlier myth. I have shown that the biblical myth of the Rephaim is descended directly from Canaanite myths about deified kings that are historically related to the third millenium B.C. ancestors of the Amorite dynasties -- a Semitic people who certainly were not giants or materialized angels!! The Greek myth borrows from the Semitic myth. We are dealing with ancestor worship -- not history. Your approach is not equally likely or more likely since it stipulates that supernatural gods and superheroes really existed as such, and posits additional claims that need to be ratified with empirical evidence to be treated as history. Your explanation is certainly less plausible than mine according to Occam's razor because it requires additional unproven premises, not even considering whether gods, demigods, etc. exist as supernatural entitites.
Similarities between myths of different cultures does not constitute evidence of historicity (neither would it be independent evidence even if it counts) -- only of cultural diffusion and archetypal themes and motifs. This is not even as universal a myth as the Flood myth, and the Greek, Babylonian, etc. versions would constitute an areal similarity explainable by just the sort of diffusion I took pains to describe in my earlier post. So your effort to treat the shared myth as a genuine historical reminiscence of godmen is methodologically very weak. The two positions are not equally plausible.
Further, I also already showed in my post that the Hebrew tale of the descent of lesser deities in Genesis assumes no story of a Flood and thus there is little justification for treating this story as "pre-Flood" and thus universal. As for using that as a basis for assuming universality and priority of the Titan/descent story as you do in your post, that is a case of circular reasoning.
Finally the later embellished legends in 1 Enoch was influential to both 2 Peter and Jude in the cultural millieu of early Christianity -- why is any other explanation necessary for the former's use in Christian writings? And the use of "Tartarus" in 2 Peter shows explicitly that Greek legends had direct influence on the conception of the decent myth in that work.