Posts by Leolaia

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Sobering Reflections on the Planned Reduction in Pages of the Watchtower and Awake!

by steve2 in

both public editions of the watchtower and its bed-mate awake!

are due to halve in pages from 32 to 16. those hoping for a reprieve in the outpouring of crap will be sorely disappointed.

fifty percent fewer pages only means the same old crap is regurgitated less frequently.

Leolaia

Why is the F&DS feeding the flock less? Does it figure they need to go on a diet? Even the quality has gone down to the level of baby food. When I was in it, the Society was putting out a Bible encyclopedia, a commentary, a very detailed reference edition of the Bible, etc. Now....it's embarassing to read what they put out now. It's like prison rations right now. Bottom of the barrel....I guess they didn't ration out the food they had properly....they are running out....like the oil in the lamps of the virgins waiting for the bridegroom.....oops.

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Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

by Leolaia in

there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

Leolaia

The January 15, 1940 Watchtower published another anti-Moyle resolution:

This illustrates the no-win situation that Moyle was in. It was "malicious" to make a protest about Bethel conditions. It dishonors Jehovah's name to make them. He was doing the work of the Devil in breaking the morale of the congregation. Defending yourself against personal attacks by telling your side of the story is "justifying yourself".

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Jimmy Savile scandal details emerge

by oldlightnewshite in

this doesn't concern the watchtower, but relates to a current child abuse scandal in the uk.

a recently deceased national dj, tv presenter and children's charities fundraiser has been exposed as a child molester.

the story can be read here:-.

Leolaia

There is actually BBC audio of him abusing someone. I stumbled on it last week on YouTube....really freaked me out. And it's from the '70s. Unbelievable.

I heard today his tomb is being dismantled to protect the sanctity of the cemetery.

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Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

by Leolaia in

there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

Leolaia

Moyle's reply to the Aeblys' letter:

#57:
Olin R. Moyle to Fred and Jessie Aebly, 1 Feb. 1940: "You have entirely missed the point of my request for an explanation. If you with sublime ignorance of the situation at Bethel and the facts in the case want to decide that I have committed an offense in giving reasons to Judge Rutherford for leaving Bethel, that is your privilege and I have no argument with you over it. No human creature has yet been placed on such a high and exalted plane that one cannot call attention to such of wrongful acts, but if you want to think otherwise you of course have the right to do so. The point of my argument is this: You with others sign a statement falsely accusing me of sending letters throughout your area. If there was any circulation in your area you are the one that did it for I did not send any copies down there other than the one I loaned to you on request. Now you attempt to justify yourself by stating I circulated it elsewhere without request. The stories of widespread circulation of this letter are exceedingly mysterious and I would like very much to know the names of those to whom I have sent it without request.

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Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

by Leolaia in

there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

Leolaia

Of course, we'd have to get an opinion from a lawyer who knows something about the history of professional legal ethics at that time, and this all gets messy when mixing religion with professional obligations of attorneys to their clients, where most attorneys don't LIVE in their client's corporate housing, LOL!

I don't know law, so I don't know if Moyle's workplace and living conditions would have been matters of confidentiality (in terms of legal fiduciary duty) outside of his practice of law....or if Moyle still owed fiduciary duty after his termination on August 8th....or if such a breach is defensible when it is self-defense against libel.

I don't see Covington making a claim of a fiduciary breach, at least as far as I can see so far; he charges Moyle with libel and claims that Society's articles were in response to that. FWIW he made the argument that JWs are all "official publishers" of the corporation, and the publication of "Information" in the Watchtower was "a privileged communication ... made by the defendants in the discharge of a private, legal and moral duty to inform all of Jehovah's witnesses of any believed or supposed disloyalty" (p. 1676). If I am reading that right, it seems to claim that the Society's publication of those articles in the Watchtower was an internal and private matter within the corporation as a whole. What does this mean for Moyle? He didn't make a breach to parties outside the corporation; he related information about Bethel as a publisher (no longer representing the Society as counsel) to other publishers, and the information concerned matters known to other publishers at Bethel. I see no legal argument that disclosure of matters concerning Bethelite publishers to publishers outside Bethel represented a breach of some sort. But I don't know really....it's an interesting question.

Moyle was definitely sloppy about the letter. He would have had a better legal case if he had only waited at least until Mr. Howlett's visit (which first broadcasted "Information") or at least until early October when the article was published. He would not have needed to have proven the truth of his letter if he had waited. It is clear in his early letters that he feared a smear campaign was in the works, and C. J. Woodworth confirmed it to him in a letter to Moyle (though Woodworth's refutation of Moyle never appeared in Consolation afaik), and then in September Moyle was torn between keeping the letters private and releasing them to tell his side of the story. It looks like he waffled between these.

Apparently the question of burden of proof came down to determining who published the letter first. Covington argued that Moyle did so in late August to the Aeblys (who had requested to see it), and then to others soon thereafter. Moyle's attorney argued that Rutherford was the first to publish it by reading it in front of the entire Bethel family on August 8th.

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Fluff: Which Actor/Actress did you crush on secretly as a JW?

by yknot in

jw
friends

i need a break from the jw-xmas noo-lite stuff ....... .

today my crush was on tv and a quick blush came to my face as i remembered all the silliness i did to run into him when he was attending jr. college near my grandparents....sigh.... so who was yours?

did your parents highly discourage/disapprove such?.

Leolaia

Kathy looks like she out-Minaj'd Nicki Minaj.

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The Watchtower Meltdown Has Begun! "new-light" equals "dark-energy".

by HelpMeBelieve in

"strike while the iron is hot!

jehovah's witnesses are confused regarding the present "times and seasons", more brothers and sisters are resigning themselves to the fact, that they will probably die before jesus christ returns.

men and women are realizing things don't make sense, yet they continue to put their heads down and remain loyal to "men", not jehovah god.

Leolaia

"No shit sparlock".....That's a keeper.

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Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

by Leolaia in

there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

Leolaia

Thanks, Knowsnothing.

jgnat....I really loved this part: "We are living in perilous times and the wicked spirits are ever ready to take possession of our minds in any unguarded moment." Watch out for those deemunz, they can make you mentally diseased.

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Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

by Leolaia in

there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

Leolaia

Moyle did not receive a reply from the Aebys, so he wrote to them again:

#55
Olin R. Moyle to Fred and Jessie Aebly, 9 Jan. 1940: "I haven't had the courtesy of a reply to my letter of December 30th. One of the very amazing circumstances in connection with this whole business is the fact that many brethren are absolutely indifferent to facts and truth in this campaign against yours truly. Let me give you a couple of examples. The statement called INFORMATION in the October 15th WATCHTOWER alleged that every paragraph of my letter to Judge Rutherford except the first was false and full of lies. Shortly before this letter appeared one of the directors who signed it wrote to me, admitted the major portion of my letter to be true, and attempted to justify Brother Rutherford's scolding of his brethren and discrimination against them. Later he signed his name to the statement that the whole letter was false. He lied in one of those letters, didn't he? This so-called INFORMATION further alleged that I was going about among the companies circulating the letter and causing division among the companies. LeRoy Jackson of Racine had written in stating Harvey Fink and I were engaged in that practice. His letter is false and proof of its falsity was submitted to the Society. Nevertheless neither the Society or Jackson have made any corrections. Howlett also did his little bit. At some places in his journey thru this area he told the brethren that the reason Moyle had written his letter to the Judge was that the Judge had given Moyle a trimming and Moyle couldn't take it. This was absolutely false, and apparently put forward to show a motive for wrongdoing on my part. And then comes the Tower with the letter from Waukegan signed by you two and a number of others. That doesn't conform to the facts, does it? It may be that you have an explanation to give....

In all this campaign of smearing we are learning who are friends and who are not. I do not mean to infer that every person who thinks I did wrong is not a friend. One dear old sister in a neighboring town told me that she was sorry I had left the Truth. No amount of explanation on my part would persuade her otherwise. In view of all the stuff that she has read in the Tower she could not be blamed for so thinking. I still consider her my friend in spite of her opinion of me. But, some for various reasons have joined the campaign and added their own pieces of misinformation to the others. That is certainly not friendship, or even decency. We thought you two were friends and you can't imagine how distressing it is to find we were mistaken".

A few weeks later Moyle received a reply:

#56
Fred and Jessie Aebly to Olin R. Moyle, 24 Jan. 1940: "Now for the reason for signing our name to that letter in the Watch Tower. We have believed and still believe that the Watch Tower is the Channel that the Lord has used for many years and is still using. In order to be one of the Lord's people we must be one hundred per cent for that Channel. As you know our whole Company signed that letter. You state in your letter that we asked you for that letter you wrote to Bro. Rutherford, that is true, we did, nevertheless we know of other brethren in other companies that rec'd copies of that same letter without requesting same. The Lord has said in His Word that He would put those out of His Temple who cause discord amongst the brethren....

If all you said in that letter were true, it wasn't your place to clean out Bethel, the Lord has given His angels that job....We are living in perilous times and the wicked spirits are ever ready to take possession of our minds in any unguarded moment. We have always thought highly of you, and it hurt plenty to see one that we have known for so many years and learned to love dearly, take such a course of action. But in order that we may maintain our own integrity we must stand by the Lord's Channel, the Watch Tower, Bible and Tract Society. If you have the right heart condition as you claim you would welcome correction from the Lord as stated in 'Matt 5:39' and would be glad to make amends for the wrong you have done to Bro. Rutherford and the brethren at Bethel. When you do make amends we will be glad to call you our brother and associate with you as we did in the past, but until such time we must do as the scripture says in Rom. 16:17, 18".

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Rutherford's smear campaign (a must read)

by Leolaia in

there has been some interest recently about the moyle case, and how it may have set a precident in what became the society's disfellowshipping policy.

in july 1939, the chief legal counsel of the watchtower bible & tract society, olin r. moyle, resigned from his position in a protest over conditions at bethel and rutherford's mistreatment of workers.

he did not want to continue living under those conditions and he felt he could effect positive change for his brothers by taking such a stand.

Leolaia

Thank you so much Lady Lee!! I know that was really difficult to fix.