Posts by czarofmischief

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

czarofmischief

It was by the joining of hands that the Tower of Babel reached into the clouds. It's no secret what God thought about about the Union that accomplished that feat, is it?

Yadrif, you did not just call Nimrod the world's first Labor activist, did you? And God the Universal Management? If you want to live and die for the Watchtower, go ahead, but for pete's sake, at least make a decision on this fundamental question:

Was what they did wrong, or not? If not, why did they keep it secret, then bolt when the truth was revealed?

CZAR

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Kenpodragon: Where Are You ?

by Searchin50 in

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i loved your post' and i miss reading them.. i know someone hurt you, i miss you very much !!!!!!!!.

is your baby here yet, please keep me informed.. please come back .

czarofmischief

Solution: click on the little minus sign by the name of the troll you want to ignore.

I like garbage too. Shirley is so fine.

CZAR

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GB disassociates itself!!

by lulu in

dear brothers:

as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.

in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.

czarofmischief

Yadrif,

I was a raised JW. I spent my entire school career not saluting the flag because to do so would indicate an un-neutral support of a government other than God's Kingdom. Got beat up, made fun of, questioned, scrutinized, but I stuck by my guns. I haven't ever saluted. Not once. 180 days a year [i was rarely sick] times thirteen years equals 2340 times I didn't salute the flag. Such a small thing it would seem, but to do so would put me on record as a supporter of America and all of its actions, right or wrong.

Now here I am, trying hard, and what do I find out? The very same religion that put me through that hell to keep me, "no part of the world" has signed a similar "Pledge of Allegiance" to the UN!!! The fact that they routiinely condemned the UN as the scarlet wild beast is a humorous and ironic sidepoint to the main issue. Whether they "meant it" or were using "theocratic strategy" is irrelevant as well, because they what they did do was state in writing their support for the United Nations and its goals.

So, can I use theocratic strategy to sleep with Heidi Klum, if I think it will bring her and her supermodel friends into the truth? It's still adultery, but hey, I'll get a stiff uppercut in on Satan's world, yes? [sorry Simon]

You lurkers out there, THINK! Especially you young ones who stand up to your peers every day in class! You have been betrayed by your leaders! They would disfellowship you for saluting the flag, but they themselves are in love with the UN!

Freedom!

CZAR

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

czarofmischief

Hey Farks, I like a deep dish pizza with smoked ham and sausage.

My philosophy is that a perfect creature like Jesus has a deep spiritual connection with his creator that transcends anything we know as imperfect beings. The closest we can come is a united husband and wife: one flesh, it is called, although it has two individuals. So God could be connected with Christ, "in union" while still existing as their own entities - ergo, Christ needs to pray even when alone, Christ gets tired, Christ feels hungry, Christ cannot grant the seats of power to his disciples, Christ begs to have this cup removed, etc. Jesus is not the same individual as Jehovah, indeed, is a lesser being, but is connected so closely and in spiritual ways that soar above and beyond what we know yet - these persons have known each other for eons of time, while we only live for seventy. How can we possibly think we could make a dogmatic statement on an issue like this?

People who say that God and Christ must be the same person, or that they must be completely distinct, fail to heed to words of the Bard, "There are more things in heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Or as Paul said, "There is no end to the knowledge of God."

CZAR

40

Watch Tower Roots:

by blackguard in

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fascist and the church of.

corporate mammon .

"by their fruits shall ye recognize them": this paleo-semitic thinking, is as every bit an axiomatic statement about evidence collection as the hellenic system so pervasive in western society today.

czarofmischief

Errrmmm...

Whut?

You make a lot of statements that lack evidence. What you just wrote is the synopsis of a an entire book. Provide backup evidence for your conclusions.

I agree that Russell liked pyramids (I've seen his grave) and that Rutherford loved the Germans until they spurned him, so he then loved the Allies.

Revelation does predict a great mountain falling into the sea.

I just don't understand what this is supposed to mean for me. Should we support the freemason plot to take over the world? Is it really such a ;bad idea? I mean, if we could avoid war and messiness and starvation, that'd be a good thing, right?

CZAR

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Why dont JW's have a youth group?

by In_between_days in

something that has been alarming to my jw family is the amount of teens ("young ones") that have bailed out of the organisation, never to return.. they use the excuse, as would most jw's that "satan is getting them - he knows young ones are vulnerable.".

if you want my opinion, young people are getting far more educated - they are becoming far more broad minded than they were say 10 or 20 years ago.

because of the slow yet sturdy slackening of the "no college" rule, many more young jw's are attending university or college than ever before, and with further education comes more knowledge, more interaction with reasonable and intelligent conversations with educated people and most importantly -use of the internet ("satans latest tool, as put by a jw i talked to recently).

czarofmischief

My answers to these questions:

1] Why don't JW's have a youth group? They've always said that it wasn't Biblical to have extra instruction geared for the kids. Witness kids are to sit quietly and listen to the speakers, like the israelite kids of old. But if you ask me, the religionists of old time pulled the same kind of spin doctoring in their final report as do their counterparts today. A youth ministry would not go amiss.

[2]Why don't JW's have day-care for working sisters? That's largely a function of the Society's unwillingness to admit that times change and women are working now. They'll cop out by saying that the congregation is here to preach to word, which is bullshit, the congregation is here to minister, not just preach.

[3]Why don't JW's have senior citizen centers? See above. Cynically, the GB has provided for their retirement by telling the following generations "Take care of us old ones or else!"

[4]Why don't JW's have referral services for members to get a technical education to get off of welfare? Good idea. Dunno. Most members aren't on welfare, from what I've seen. There's informal networking that goes on, but I don't know if that kind of intricate operation would be something I'd feel comfortable entrusting to my religion, or not. I mean, they already say they own my eternal future, do I want to entrust them with my employment?

[5]Why dont Jw's have referral service for those members who have been mugged, raped, child molestation,burglarized, suffered loss due to natural disasters, sister's needing relocation due to domestic violence? That's a huge list. They do some highly publicized relief work, and I think that we will see a shift in some of the ways they deal with their members problems when the oldies die off.

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England Anyone??

by ScoobySnax in

ok, i'm being lazy coz i know i could do a search, but i'm in a posting mood, and its nice to get replies!

so.......who on this forum is from england?

i know ballistic, and englishman is.....rumour has it that someone called "simon the almighty" might be.....but maybe thats hearsay....

czarofmischief

I lived in Sheffield for a time.

Went to the Killamarsh congregation. This was ten years ago. Sound familiar to anybody?

CZAR

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Did being a witness bring out the best or worst?

by freedom96 in

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a person years ago made a comment to me, about witnesses.

they said that in their opinion, being a witness brought out the extreme in a person.. for example, if they were untrusting, they would trust less.. if they were vindictive by nature, they would become more hateful and vindictive.. if they were kind and loving, they would even be more so.. basically, whatever type of person they were, being a witness would intensify that persona.. have you found that to be true?

maybe you knew someone before they came a witness.

czarofmischief

It destroyed my fear of being different.

Now I'm unconventional and I like it, albeit not religious.

shmokin'!!!!!

CZAR

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The Wise and Foolish Virgins

by czarofmischief in

so, jesus sits down one day and tells his disciples that he is going to return, and he compares it to a bridegroom coming home to ten virgins - five foolish and five discreet.. notwithstanding the difficulties inherent in finding ten virgins, not to mention the incredible question of what the hell a newly wed bridegroom needs ten of them for - what does this prophetic parable mean?.

they all fell asleep.

what distinguished the two groups was that one of them had extra oil.

czarofmischief

So, Jesus sits down one day and tells his disciples that he is going to return, and he compares it to a bridegroom coming home to ten virgins - five foolish and five discreet.

Notwithstanding the difficulties inherent in finding ten virgins, not to mention the incredible question of what the hell a newly wed bridegroom needs ten of them for - what does this prophetic parable mean?

They all fell asleep. What distinguished the two groups was that one of them had extra oil. The others ran out of oil before the bridegroom got there. So I speculate that there will be about half of the existing christian churches still remaining when the Son of Man arrives. The others will have run out of holy spirit, or truth, or credibility, or whatever it takes to run a church.

CZAR

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In shock.

by lulu in

last night(tuesday) an announcement was made in our congregation that my husband and i had disassociated ourselves.

we did no such thing(for personal reasons) nor was any document whatsoever given to the local elders or anyone else.

nevertheless, that is what happened, apparently no letter of resignation is required.

czarofmischief

Wait wait wait!!!!

What is this world class action thingamabob????

Are we suing the WTS? I want in!!! Yee-haw! I want compensated for my wasted youth, and for the torment and tears they put me through in junior high, and for twenty four missed birthdays and xmases.

Failing that, I'll take their signatures on this paper I'm writing that admits to everything they've done and the cost of publishing it in papers in every country and language that the Watchtower prints in. (I'd say do it in the Tower, but I don't trust those snakes)

CZAR