second kings, we learn that menahem, leader of the israelites, smote all the people who refused to follow him and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up (2 kings 15:16).
later, in hosea, we learn that because the land of samaria rejected god, samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her god: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up (hosea 13:16).
hosea decided to carry out gods vengeance on the people by killing the unborn babies carried by the heathen women.
When we invade Iraq - a preganant woman will die. I guarantee it. that's war. Not right, just war. Don't overthink it. We are animals, too, and we fight for dominance. You know how Iraq only respects Superior Force? Well, so do we. So God puts the smack down on some little babies, and guess what, not a damn thing to do but be on His Side so our babies don't get ripped up.
C'est la vie, c'est le guerre
CZAR
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what event made you realize that you were serving a phony organization, and what was the turning point that made you see clear?.
I think the moment that led to my first doubt was when that girl took her bra off...
Heh heh heh
CZAR
there have been many postings regarding the possible war with iraq.
there are many strong apposing views, as to be expected.. i personally am going to thank all those who are in the military; my hat is off to you, and i respect what you do, and i am very thankful.
you are the ones that must go out there and defend our freedoms.. i don't think most people desire war, but sometimes there seems to be little choice.
He hasn't been to a meeting in 25 years and still believes them? Man, those indoctrination sessions were better than I thought!
What gibberish. Revelation simply cannot be understood - it is for the "time of the end" and we aren't there yet.
CZAR
the jehovahs witness church took away all my ability to speak normally to, and to interact normally,with girls.
because of this i have an issue with sex and feel very sorry for myself, believing i have been deprived of a normal, sexually promiscuous, youth.
this has caused me much pain and suffering,and many sleepless and unhappy lonely nights in my life.
Prisca : fly me to Australia and I'll hook you up with some sweet Yankee lovin'.
If not, I'll just have to Yankee it myself... heh heh heh...
CZAR
there have been many postings regarding the possible war with iraq.
there are many strong apposing views, as to be expected.. i personally am going to thank all those who are in the military; my hat is off to you, and i respect what you do, and i am very thankful.
you are the ones that must go out there and defend our freedoms.. i don't think most people desire war, but sometimes there seems to be little choice.
Yadrif, if you were really a Witness you wouldn't be here talking to admitted apostates. So pull the rafter out of your eye before you go criticizing folks who want to salute those brave soldiers fighting on our behalf.
I tried to enlist, but my disability prevents me. I talked to the recruiter and everything, but its impossible.
So all of those who walk the desert sand and frozen tundras, from here to Tripoli, I salute you. Go with God.
CZAR
i was born into the witnesses in 1962, i was disfellowshiped when i was 18, because i decided to marry a catholic.
our first son was born 4 years later, and thinking i had to teach our son about god, which in it self is not a bad thought, so the only thing i new was the jw's teaching's, and yes i went back.. it took them 11 months to decide weather they would reinstate me, 11 month's of no one talking to me, no one coming to see my new baby, allways leaving befor the meeting was completely over, so as not to feel any more hurt then nessecary.
after i was reinstated i proceeded to raise our 3 children as jw's.
Hey, congrats on telling the elders exactly why you were leaving. I wish I could have left for those reasons. I got diffed for immorality
those wicked women, ahh...
I'm also getting old, 25 last week. Ah, those were the days, [mumbles toothlessly and falls asleep in his rocking chair]
CZAR
my mother still believes.
she's made me mad enough that i want to disprove her religion, remorselessly and without fear.
i want to write a pamphlet, a long long letter, starting from every crack and cranny of russell's pyramidology to... well, basically i want to say jehovah's witnesses are wrong and here is why!.
Thank you Utopian. I needed a shower of your raindrops.
Yeah, I got into quite an argument with her. She meandered from topic to topic. So I just lost it.
Thank you everybody. I feel better now.
CZAR
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it look like busch is going to start war, sad, and unbelevebel that he dont listen to peopel who warning fore the consquenses, this could be the start fore something wery bad, war against musslim an christans all over the world.. .
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/08/international/middleeast/08mili .html?ex=1039928400&en=5ddab7815da6ba8a&ei=5062&partn er=google .
Hey happyman, nice to see you drop in again.
Just wanted to point out that the US has three levels of government: Federal, State, and County as well as local governments for cities and towns.
So when you see the Federal government spending Billions on defense, that's because that is their job, that's why we formed it 200 years ago. The State governments are usually responsible for many welfare and health programs (although there are also Federal programs that provide some coverage). And the Counties have health inspections, and etc.
The trouble with governing a country that comprises 50 states, with cultures as different as Alaska and Hawaii to New York, is that different solutions work for different peoples. So that's why State governments usually take care of their own homeless, impoverished, etc. Speaking as a poor person, I only make $18,000 a year, which is not much in Pittsburgh, I know that I can get food stamps, free health care if I didn't have benefits, and some disability payments if I need them (I don't currently, I prefer to take care of myself as long as I can).
What you are talking about is the fundamental difference between the American and European character. We built this country, while you are still dealing with your feudal heritage. This country was built by people who took care of themselves, while you expect your leaders to take care of you. OUr leaders are elected for a reason and for a set period of time, while Sweden still has a monarchy and an established church.
I could go on and on, but neither system is inherently wrong. Both provide services and allow free speech, though, and basic human rights. However, when a king or dictator goes power-mad, they have always sought to crush and terrorize their own citizens. LIke it or not, America has been given its power for a reason. We put it down, before God, that we wanted freedom. And after we paid for it in our own blood during the Civil War, and freed the slaves in our own midst, we have been given a commission to tyry our best to bring freedom to the World. We stood up to the Kaiser in WW1, Hitler and Hirohito in WW2, Stalin and co. during the Cold War (Sweden was glad enough for us then, weren't you?), and now, radical Islam.
We're not perfect, but we never claimed we were. However, if we don't liberate Iraq, who will? Sweden? France? Russia? No, only the USA and Britain are powerful enough and have the moral high ground to reslice the Middle East. Join us, Sweden. You'll feel better about yourselves. Help us liberate the MIddle East from Radical Islam. Put your generals into the public eye as heroes, your king as a Great Emancipator. You'd be amazed at how warm inside you'll feel when you do the right thing.
CZAR
jesus dying for our sins... um, why.. because adam made a mistake?
based upon what?
jehovah's rules?
This topic certainly deserves the flaming folder next to it.
Here's my 2 cent theological exposition:
When the original pair sinned, they broke a mystical connection they had between themselves and God. That's why they slowly died, diconnected from their life source. None of the children they had were born with this connection, so all slowly die. However - Jesus was sent and through God';s power was born with this connection - a connection that had to be withdrawn during his final hours for him to die; hence his cry, "Father, why have you forsaken me?"
Now, to restore that connection for imperfect creatures like us, who did not ask to be born this way and thus can be shown mercy, someone has to fix it. Jesus has been given the power and opportunity to fix it, and "he has learned obedience through the things he has suffered." His mission here was as much for him to learn about being human, as it was for us to learn about being divine. He knows our pain, confusion, spiritual agonies. He has eaten, drank, been thirsty and confused and tempted, has shit and been in love - he knows it all. So he has been fully trained in HOW TO BE WILLING TO SHOW MERCY.
The actual mechanics of fixing that connection are beyond our comprehension. However, his death was necessary, because he had the RIGHT to live forever as an imperfect human. But metaphorically, he said, "If Czar messes up, I'll die for him." Well, guess what, I messed up and Jesus had to accept that penalty 2000 years ago. And he's done it for each individual that agrees to accept it.
Having undergone that, he was restored to life, which God can do at will. Remember, this ransom is only part of God's plan - which is to fill the earth with the perfect seed of Adam. Having forever given up a human life, Jesus is now our Kiing in charge, temporarily, of bringing us all closer to god. It's a long and difficult journey, but he is now much more merciful than he was when he was leading the Israelites through their wilderness, having tasted the bitter fruits of imperfection.
The original story of the fruit may only be a metaphor, or it might be literal. When you're rebelling against god, one action is as good as another.
But I sense a great deal of contempt in this forum, so I will shut up now, having said my piece.
CZAR
my mother still believes.
she's made me mad enough that i want to disprove her religion, remorselessly and without fear.
i want to write a pamphlet, a long long letter, starting from every crack and cranny of russell's pyramidology to... well, basically i want to say jehovah's witnesses are wrong and here is why!.
My mother still believes. She's made me mad enough that I want to disprove her religion, remorselessly and without fear. I want to write a pamphlet, a long long letter, starting from every crack and cranny of Russell's pyramidology to... well, basically I want to say JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE WRONG AND HERE IS WHY!
and then I'll make her read it, and if she still swallows their lies, so be it.
What should I put in there?
CZAR
