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  The end of a dream...

  by Tashawaa in

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  perhaps the hardest part of leaving the jws, is emotionally letting go of the "dream".. as i was waking up this morning, caught in that state of leaving a dream and realizing i was in my bed, feeling the air circulate from my overhead fan, it dawned on me that the end of my "dream" is unknown.. i used to take comfort in knowing that there was god.

  there was good and evil.

  satan existed, and everyday, i had entered into battle to maintain my integrity.

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  Mona Lisa was a man !

  Well, one theory is that its a self portrait of Da Vinci...
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  Out of a job...

  by Tashawaa in

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  i use to try to imagine the work i'd do in the new system.

  everyone it seemed had their own idea of what paradise would be.

  i use to despise the idea of 3 acres (???

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  I use to try to imagine the work I'd do in the New System. Everyone it seemed had their own idea of what paradise would be. I use to despise the idea of 3 acres (???) per person (who would make our goods - spoons, materials, nails, paint????). Anyhoo, I started to think about all the jobs that would be missing because of "paradise".... All these people would be out of work:

  Doctors, nurses, paramedics, surgeons... all those that manufacuture their goods - surgical knives, heart monitors - and in relation to that, all pharmicutical companies, Pharmacists. Extend that to producers of Asprin, Ben-Gay, etc. Anything health related.

  Obviously, funeral directors, mortuaries, cemetary caretakers, people that engrave headstones and make caskets, etc. Any field that has to do with death.

  OK, I've named two areas and then you need to think about the extending support networks that supply those fields.

  Who else is out of work????
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  The end of a dream...

  by Tashawaa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  perhaps the hardest part of leaving the jws, is emotionally letting go of the "dream".. as i was waking up this morning, caught in that state of leaving a dream and realizing i was in my bed, feeling the air circulate from my overhead fan, it dawned on me that the end of my "dream" is unknown.. i used to take comfort in knowing that there was god.

  there was good and evil.

  satan existed, and everyday, i had entered into battle to maintain my integrity.

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  Perhaps the hardest part of leaving the JWs, is emotionally letting go of the "dream".

  As I was waking up this morning, caught in that state of leaving a dream and realizing I was in my bed, feeling the air circulate from my overhead fan, it dawned on me that the end of my "dream" is unknown.

  I used to take comfort in knowing that there was God. There was good and evil. Satan existed, and everyday, I had entered into battle to maintain my integrity. I knew the outcome of this war. One day a spectacular scene would play out in this world, akin to a scene from "Independence Day" (or any movie supernatural destructive scene). I knew I would "probably" be protected. I could envision the aftermath, and the joys that laid ahead with our "happy ending". There was a comfort I took in my imaginary "us vs. them" mentality. I was priviledged to know of this great story that was unfolding in my lifetime. I did not have to plan, or think about my future in this system, because I already knew what it was. I was special.

  Now, I face each day, not knowing the "ending". I prepare for a day when I may retire. I'm prepared (with life insurance and a will) in case today is my last. I don't know if there is an afterlife and no longer live for an "invisible promise". I don't know whether humankind will ever overcome the demons of war, sickness, hunger, poverty ... but I'm much more optimistic about our capabilities to do such. I no longer believe in "inspired" fairy tales.

  Its been years that I've been out, however, at times I still marvel at the emotional release. The emotional letdown of letting go of "the dream".

  It was a selfish dream...
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  How many near death scary stuff happened to you?

  by kls in

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  did you ever think that you should have died.

  i mean like scary stuff that happened to you and wonder why you are still here .

  i have had so many but the one's that stick out of my mind are ,when i took my son ( who was 16 at the time ) for a drive in my 1968 charger, when i heard a pop, i was going up a hill and all of a sudden flames started to shoot out of the hood.

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  kls

  I think you should walk or take public transport
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  If Evolutionists used Creationist tactics...

  by Tashawaa in

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  if evolutionists .

  creationist tactics:

  they'd still be teaching piltdown man, 60 years after it was proven as a hoax.

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  • They'd "point by point" break down a satire thread
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  silly lines in the bible

  by stillajwexelder in

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  even if one accepts that the bible is the word of god - one of the most stupid lines is "you must make her pregnant with semen" err what the hell else can a woman be made pregnant with ?

  milk?.

  have you all any stupid lines in the bible that come to mind?

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  "when donkeys fly"?

  Frannie - they're unclean... so wouldn't it be "when pigs fly?"
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  If Evolutionists used Creationist tactics...

  by Tashawaa in

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  if evolutionists .

  creationist tactics:

  they'd still be teaching piltdown man, 60 years after it was proven as a hoax.

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  If Evolutionists
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  Creationist tactics:

  • They'd still be teaching Piltdown Man, 60 years after it was proven as a hoax.
  • They'd never have re-examined Nebraska Man, and would be teaching it now.
  • They'd write their own interpretation of Genesis, and then point out the holes in it.
  • They'd buy (or just make up) bogus theology degrees and discredit religion.
  • They'd use snake oil salesman tactics to make their debates more entertaining for audiences.
  • The audiences would be biology and paleontology majors bussed in and psyched up beforehand.
  • They'd use pseudo science to appeal to the masses.
  • They'd demand Christian churches spend equal time teaching a pantheistic tradition, to allow for fair and even consideration among the congregation.
  • They'd stop teaching evolution and just attack Creationism.
  • They'd misquote Creationist literature to make it seem stupid and contradictory...well, no, actually, they accomplish that NOW, by directly quoting.
  • They'd mispele a lot of wrds, AND WRIET WITH CAPLOCKS ALL THE THYME!
  • You couldn't get a science degree without signing a statement of evolution.
  • Research results would have to match
  • You could win half a million dollars by keeping 500,000 animals in an for one year.
  • They'd picket ' ' with signs showing which animals weren't from the Jurassic.
  • They'd refuse to donate money to museums, and then complain about how their donations were being wasted on misinformation exhibits.
  • They'd print little comic books about evolutionary theory and litter them around playgrounds and Sunday School classrooms.
  • They'd count all the different religions, even ones with no followers alive today, and say that there are hundreds of competing theories on Creation, Salvation and the Afterlife, as if that would discredit any individual religions.

  • You could earn a million dollars by invoking ANY deity and having he/she/it create life, in lab conditions, subject to certain restrictions:

  1. only atheists allowed within laboratory
  2. no pantheistic traditions
  3. no holy materials
  4. no sacrifices
  5. no rituals, except any ritual common to ALL religious traditions that have a creation myth
  6. miracles and holy presences count only if proven to be an incontrovertible manifestation of God, not possible instance of psychic or illusionist ability
  7. must conform perfectly to a manifestation previously recorded in scripture
  8. scripture to be submitted beforehand
  9. Invocation will be determined to be fraudulent (in intent or in result) if:
  10. Created life perfectly matches a life form currently living on Earth (copying is not creating)
  11. Invoker is suspected of being possessed
  12. Invokee is without physical form
  13. Invoker holds a position of authority within the religious community
  14. Invoker is on record has having been abducted by a UFO
  15. Invocation can be reproduced, in part or in whole, by a stage magician with sufficient preparation
  16. Created life completely different from known 'kinds' (impossible to accurately evaluate 'new' life forms)

  • Evidence deemed to be convincing will be forwarded to unspecified 'scientists.' They will determine the factualness of the evidence, and it's impact on current evolutionary theory.
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  silly lines in the bible

  by stillajwexelder in

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  even if one accepts that the bible is the word of god - one of the most stupid lines is "you must make her pregnant with semen" err what the hell else can a woman be made pregnant with ?

  milk?.

  have you all any stupid lines in the bible that come to mind?

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  Leviticus 11:23

  But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

  What the #@%! are these???? Insects?????
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  Science and Logic and Faith - WT Study July 11, 2004

  by jgnat in

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  2. bible

  ?creation declares the glory of god!?

  wt june 1, 2004 (wt quotes in red.).

  this article quotes a few scientists; agnostic and christian, then paul, to argue that creation speaks of god?s existence.

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  b. Some even deny that God exists.

  Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." ( 6 )

  1. Willford, J.N.
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  Interesting article on the state of humanity and charity....

  by Xander in

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  from atot (again, i've been spending too much time there), in a debate about the relative merit of human life (or lack thereof), comes this interesting article quoted:the singer solution to world poverty.

  the new york times magazine.

  september 5, 1999. a contentious ethicist explains why your taste for foie gras is starving children.

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  It is hypocritical to pick on the Watchtower on this issue.

  Nobody EVEN mentioned the WTBTS until YOU did, and you acknowledged that they fail to AID the poor and hungry.

  Helping people live moral lives is a noble way of helping the poor. Sometimes a hope is all that is needed to make a difference.

  Isn?t there a scripture that says (paraphrase) that if you see your ?brother going without clothes, food, etc and yet say ?Stay warm and well fed? and do not give them the necessities?? how did Jesus define ?brother? hmmm, story of the Samaritian comes to mind. So why doesn?t the Society with a portion of its Billion dollar a year profit actually use some of this money in a CHARITABLE way?

  JWs DO a very good job of looking out for each other. As with any system there may be people who fall through the safety net but that is not the typical situation.

  Ugh. We each go by our own experiences. Well, our family MUST have been one of the ?few? that slipped through the cracks. My mom a single parent with FOUR children on social services. I remember the ones that helped us in the community were: a Pharmacist who supplied a year of diapers and formula for her new baby twins, a Doctor who gave her part time work (she was unskilled), a neighbor who would drive her places, a grocerer who would give her ?gift? certificates for food, ?Goodwill? clothing stores that made clothing us affordable? all worldly. The scripture that the true faith is identified by ?looking after widows and fatherless boys? always escapes the quote section of the Watchtower.

  You know that the Society DOES not encourage its members to ?give? outside the organization. So far, its not prohibited, but I mean, what would be the point? God is going to wipe everyone out shortly, so feeding the hungry (worldly) person is just a waste of money?.

  Any how nobody has any figures on this sort of thing.

  Yah, how could anybody get figures???? Its not like the Society is meticulous when it comes to tracking hours, publishers, pioneers, RV, studies, placements, etc etc. I mean, its not like they are capable of keeping records of their ?charitable? works.

  This forum of moaners and groaners in no way represents a statistical cross section of the 6.5 million JW's world wide.

  But you sure do!!! Besides, how does this in anyway resolve the issue that the WTBTS operates more as a Publishing company instead of a charity????