99.9% of JWs also are completely oblivious to the fact that the 1914 date and its chronology wasn't even invented by Russell. At best, he plagarized the entire concept from the Adventists and William Miller and stapled the WT label on it.
AndDontCallMeShirley
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convinced 95% of all active jw's don't have a clue as to where 1914 originates
by goingthruthemotions inso talking with my wife last night...i was explaining to her about a conversation i had with a person at work about end times.
he has a strange belief that some scriptures in isaiah perdict something huge is going to happen in september of 2015. she then states that no one can predict the future only the father knows and he is in a cult.
lol on the inside.. i then stated "what about 1914 and the dubs perdiction and what it means today" she said no there was never any predictions.
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convinced 95% of all active jw's don't have a clue as to where 1914 originates
by goingthruthemotions inso talking with my wife last night...i was explaining to her about a conversation i had with a person at work about end times.
he has a strange belief that some scriptures in isaiah perdict something huge is going to happen in september of 2015. she then states that no one can predict the future only the father knows and he is in a cult.
lol on the inside.. i then stated "what about 1914 and the dubs perdiction and what it means today" she said no there was never any predictions.
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she said no there was never any predictions
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LOL
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"In the coming 26 years [1914/1915] , all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889)
"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99)
"We see no reason for changing the figures--nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. We see no reason for changing from our opinion expressed in the view presented in the Watch Tower of January 15, '92. We advise that it be read again."
--Watchtower 7/15/1894, p.1677So it was in this harvest also up to A.D. 1878 the time prophecies and the fact of the Lord's presence.... but the same fact and scriptures, teaching the same time and presence, stand unchallenged and incontrovertible. (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1915 ed.; p. 236)
"We have no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925..." W 5-15-1922
"This chronology is not of man, but of God. Being of divine origin and divinely corroborated, present-truth chronology stands in a class by itself, absolutely and unqualifiedly correct...." (Watchtower, July 15, 1922 p. 217)
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After 40 decades of wolfing about 1914 and a 100% failure of all that WT said would transpire in that year, it waffled with this astonishing statement:
"We did not say positively that this would be the year."
--Watchtower 11/1/1914, p.5565.
The plain truth of the matter is most JWs know nothing of their religion or the basis for their beliefs because they don't have to. As a JW, your only job is to obey the GB and believe what they tell you to believe. Why study? If a JW discovers evidence that contradicts what the GB teaches, they have no freedom to dissent or question it.
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Is the Bible just as fake as the JW's
by BackSlider init seems that the more i research, the more i find that it's all just a big scam.
is there any evidence that even the bible isn't just another big religion/government scam?
would we listen to putin or obama if they told us they have verified new holy writings?
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There isn't any "good" advice found in the Bible that didn't already exist in other cultures long before the Bible was written. There is nothing unique to the alleged positive advice in it. Many already had it figured out before god supposedly decided to chime in on human affairs.
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Is the Bible just as fake as the JW's
by BackSlider init seems that the more i research, the more i find that it's all just a big scam.
is there any evidence that even the bible isn't just another big religion/government scam?
would we listen to putin or obama if they told us they have verified new holy writings?
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OEJ: I suspect you know the answer you'll get from the athiests on the forum, so I'll skip that part.
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Instead of targeting atheists, why not just consider anyone with at least two functioning brain cells? One does not need to be an atheist to know the smell of bulls**t.
The bible has some good advice as well as some great examples showing how far humankind has come over the years.
How? Christians are living off rules that were invented 2,000 years ago; OT supporters (like Muslims) haven't progressed beyond 3,000 year-old nonsense.It is the secular world that progresses, not the Biblical/religious world.
To your point, while the secular world had established the earth is a sphere, the Catholic Church took a few hundred more years to catch up with facts. Hell, some Fundamentalist Muslims still believe the earth is flat...because the Koran says so. Evidence holds no sway with the religiously ignorant.
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For those in the Watchtower who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible
by opusdei1972 inthe watchtower says:.
9 while most major books of religion say very little, if anything, about god, the bible acquaints us with jehovah god and his activities.
it helps us to see the many facets of his personality.
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9 While most major books of religion say very little, if anything, about God, the Bible acquaints us with Jehovah God and his activities. It helps us to see the many facets of his personality. The Bible reveals God not only as an all-powerful, wise, and just God but also as a God who loves us. (Read John 3:16; 1 John 4:19.).... (w12 6/15 pp. 25-29, paragraph 9)
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Actions always speak louder than words. "The Bible says..." a lot of things about god's alleged wonderful qualities, but taken at face value, the stories in the Bible reveal that god is a dick.
"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." - Richard Dawkins
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is it just me?? the district convention at nassau coliseum was crazy
by dugout innumber one- fact-it was dangerously overcrowed.
ok its one thing dropping the ball on this one.
or they just didnt care.
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I was talking about JW Fight Klub. Different organization than JW Fight Club.
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Commenting At The Meetings---Did You Enjoy It?
by minimus inwas that important for you?
most people, i believe, forced themselves to give an answer.
i knew many elders and servants over the years being counseled because they rarely answered.. funny thing....my mom who is 88 cries if she doesn't give a comment.
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no comment
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is it just me?? the district convention at nassau coliseum was crazy
by dugout innumber one- fact-it was dangerously overcrowed.
ok its one thing dropping the ball on this one.
or they just didnt care.
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@ Vidiot: Shirley, you broke the first rule of JW Fight Club
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What is that? Leading with a left jab? Or hitting a dude in a wheelchair?
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is it just me?? the district convention at nassau coliseum was crazy
by dugout innumber one- fact-it was dangerously overcrowed.
ok its one thing dropping the ball on this one.
or they just didnt care.
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I hate getting fisted at an assembly
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is it just me?? the district convention at nassau coliseum was crazy
by dugout innumber one- fact-it was dangerously overcrowed.
ok its one thing dropping the ball on this one.
or they just didnt care.
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I heard from eyewitnessess that their were actual fist fights at the gates for seats.
@ Londo: Somehow this experience isn't going to end up in the publications...
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Watchtower, January 1, 2015, life story article:
Keep On Seeking the Kingdom and an Assembly Seat First - as told by Jon A.Torial
"Nothing will deter me from dining at Jehovah's table. After quitting my job to attend the assembly at Naussau, I arrived 4 hours early to be the first in line when the doors opened promptly at 7 am. My love for Jehovah and his provisions are the most important thing in my life. Right before the doors opened, Br. Richard Cranium cut in front of me. Ardor immediately came up into my nose, and righteous indignation rose up, and despite this man being my spiritual brother, he was presumptuously running ahead of me.
I dropped my book bag holding the most recent Watchtower study articles entitled, "Serving Jehovah in the Most Loving Organization On Earth" and "Brotherly Love- a hallmark of true Christianity", and I cold cocked Br. Dick with a vicious left jab followed by a crushing right uppercut, which caught him squarely under the chin. I went low considering Br. Dick was in a wheelchair at the time. Br. Dick exploded from his chair (I knew he was faking his disability in order to Pioneer while on government disability assistance), and he lunged for my throat. I stopped Br. Dick while in mid-air with a crushing roundhouse kick followed by a chokehold. Br. Dick was unconscious within 10 seconds, or as I like to view it, "spiritually drowsy". While two attendants were reviving him, I rushed the line of my brothers, knocked an older sister out of my way, trampled an infant in a stroller, and got the best seat in the auditorium. I know Jehovah appreciates my dedication and focus and that nothing will stop me from gaining knowledge about the peaceful Paradise Earth to come, where all of our brothers will live in peace and harmony."