Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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Women elders, what difference would they make?

by Freedom77 in

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okay, let's do a big what-if: suppose the gb for its own unfathomable reasons suddenly got new light (tm) and decided to start appointing women elders and ministerial servants.

they would, of course, refer to the examples of junia (apostle), and priscilla and phoebe (deaconesses in wordlyspeak) in the greek scriptures; never mind what mental somersaults it would take to get them there.

stranger things have happened in wt history.. that being the case, would having women in positions of real authority make any significant difference in the congos or in the borg as a whole, and why or why not?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ Freedom77: No oral sex ---> back and forth and back and forth

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LOL. That's punny! (same for anal sex, by the way).

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If women were appointed as elders, there would be a lot of judicial action taking place

"Hell hath no scorn like a woman's fury"

Imagine a JC being formed by Elderette Marge because Sister Looks-So-Fine-in-Fishnet-Stockings and a tight skirt makes Elderette Marge look even worse than the frumpy, 80# overweight matron she already is.

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I've been in situations where I've worked for women in positions of power and influence. At that level, there is no difference between the sexes and the only thing that prevails is human nature and lust for more power and demolishing anyone who gets in the way.

Women as elders = same s**t, different day.

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The Memorial- Passing the emblems, a prime display of weirdness

by Darth Fader The Sequel in

not sure if this bothered other people, but it absolutely drove me crazy!!!!.

ok, typical annual memorial.

the emblems are being passed around.

AndDontCallMeShirley

the very same brothers that spent the last 10 minutes passing out the emblems to a few hundred people must then go sit down in their reserved chairs in the front row of the hall and some other brother stands up and offers THEM the emblems to clutch and hold and fondle for absolutely no reason

Too funny! This was always the part that drove me crazy as well. The "Professional Passers" have already handled the plate and glass countless times...but it didn't count. Apparently, Jesus is a bear for detail and will not be happy if these brothers simply set the plate and glass down and walk away.

Ironically, Jesus is the one who condemned the Pharisees for arguing minutiae, like how far up the arm one should wash to be clean: to the elbow? above the elbow? The JW Memorial rules are no different.

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As much as JWs like to think they are free of religious traditions and nonsensical rituals of "Babylon"/Christendom, the truth is they are as mired down in tradition, empty ritual and childish superstition (Think Sparlock) as much as the next person.

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BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants

by WatchTower87 in

2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.

the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.

the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Dagney,

They may be referring to the BOE letter dated 4-22-14, Re: the circuit overseer is now responsible for appointing/deleting brothers.

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BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants

by WatchTower87 in

2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.

the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.

the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ nswtg: how does the process work?

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In reality, here's how the process works:

1. holy spirit is not involved because it doesn't exist

2. Jehovah is not involved because he doesn't exist

3. Dumbass elders recommend other dumbasses to be elders

4. The dumbass elder body passes this recommendation on to the next higher-up dumbass: the Circuit Overseer

5. The CO passes his recommendation on up to the highest level of Dumbasses: the Governing Body. They use their big rubber "Approved by Holy Spirit" stamp to greenlight the appointment. After they rubberstamp a stack of approvals of men they have never met, and never will, they break for a donut snack before their late morning nappie time.

6. Now the newly-appointed Dumbass* is added to the ranks and receives immediate tenure and a thick coating of Teflon (children beware!)

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Note capital "D", which goes with the new title

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jgnat: One of my leaders remarked how surprising it was to see how many volunteers evaporate once they hear about the check, never to be seen again.

Sure, but WT is already hurting for "qualified" brothers to reach out. Background checks would unravel the entire WT system overnight.

Background checks make sense in Satan's Wicked System of Things™, but are unreasonable in God's Organization™

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convinced 95% of all active jw's don't have a clue as to where 1914 originates

by goingthruthemotions in

so talking with my wife last night...i was explaining to her about a conversation i had with a person at work about end times.

he has a strange belief that some scriptures in isaiah perdict something huge is going to happen in september of 2015. she then states that no one can predict the future only the father knows and he is in a cult.

lol on the inside.. i then stated "what about 1914 and the dubs perdiction and what it means today" she said no there was never any predictions.

AndDontCallMeShirley

To calculate the time of the second fulfillment, they take the 2520 days (since apparently they used 360 day lunar years at the time

WT uses the solar calendar and the ancients used the lunar calendar (365 days vs. 360 days respectively). In WT methodology, it is mixing two completely different systems to get the end result, like mixing metric with standard for math. Essentially, 2 meters plus 3 feet = 5 feet. Sorry, no dice!

No matter how you figure it (lunar or solar) you cannot draw a straight line from 607-1914. Mixing the two calendar year calculations makes it even more impossible.

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BOE 2014-07-13 Appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servants

by WatchTower87 in

2014-07-13 appointment and deletion of elders and ministerial servantsto all bodies of elders.

the link removed by request is also available at the forms link.

the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

AndDontCallMeShirley

“Is there anything from your past, even before baptism, or in your personal or family life that disqualifies you...?"

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Yes, Brother Circuit Overseer, before I became a JW, I was a "worldly" person, so everything I did disqualifies me you dumbass!

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Because asking that has stopped many a perverted elder from being appointed...

Unless he feels bad about it now and realizes he should have come forward at the time. In that case, he gets a mulligan and the CO will appoint him anyway (provided a generous green handshake is involved).

Incidentally, why ask the question? Isn't Holy Spirit supposed to reveal all of this anyway, regardless of whether the brother admits to anything or not ?????

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convinced 95% of all active jw's don't have a clue as to where 1914 originates

by goingthruthemotions in

so talking with my wife last night...i was explaining to her about a conversation i had with a person at work about end times.

he has a strange belief that some scriptures in isaiah perdict something huge is going to happen in september of 2015. she then states that no one can predict the future only the father knows and he is in a cult.

lol on the inside.. i then stated "what about 1914 and the dubs perdiction and what it means today" she said no there was never any predictions.

AndDontCallMeShirley

The GB are not stupid. They are highly intelligent and shrewd men

It's probably more accurate to say they hire highly intelligent and shrewd people outside of the WT Organization to do their thinking and strategizing for them.

I don't ever look at Anthony Morris III or Stephen Lett and say to myself, "now there's a highly intelligent man".

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If END is Imminent, Why Witness in Silence in Public Places?

by ProfCNJ in

we were taught for 100 years that the end or armageddon is imminent, as if it is coming in a hurry.

but look now at the new way of sharing god's kingdom in uk which i find as a complete irony.

"thousands have switched tactics to stand on street corners in more than a dozen cities across britain - and unusually for public preachers, they are staying almost completely silent... unlike other evangelical preachers, they do not shout or call attention to themselves - instead standing in near-silence until someone approaches them."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691254/how-jehovahs-witnesses-got-street-smart-believers-swap-infamous-doorstepping-standing-outside-train-stations-shops.html.

AndDontCallMeShirley

WT should make a categorical statement and support it with activities that are aligned to it

You mean WT should practice what they preach?? What a concept ! LOL.

In reality, WT operating as if it actually believes what it preaches is true is counter to its corporate interests.

As I've said repeatedly, actions speak louder than words-everytime- and WT's actions clearly demonstrate at the very least they do not believe Armageddon is coming anytime soon; more accurately, they believe it's not coming at all.

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Not on JW.ORG : Another Watchtower Society property closed and sold.

by Balaamsass2 in

jul 22, 2014, 2:09pm hstlongs drugs to open new store in east honolulu near aina haina shopping center enlarge photopbn filelongs drugs, which opened this store in the davies pacific center in downtown honolulu last summer, plans to open another location in east honolulu near the aina haina shopping center.. duane shimogawareporter-pacific business newsemail | google+ | twitter | linkedinlongs drugs has purchased property for $7.6 million from the jehovahs witnesses for a new store and pharmacy in east honolulu near the aina haina shopping center, the broker who represented the seller told pbn.. rhode island-based cvs caremark corp.(nyse: cvs), which owns the longs drugs chain in hawaii, and kz devco, the california-based company that serves as the drugstore chain's exclusive developer in the state of hawaii, recently pulled building permits for the 1.4-acre property at 5156 kalanianaole highway, which was at one time was home to the popular ranch house restaurant.. a cvs/longs spokesman did not immediately return a message left by pbn.. the fee-simple property, which includes a two-story, 24,200-square-foot building, the former current home to the jehovahs witnesses, and a 2,279-square-foot building, the former home to a veterinarian clinic, had been on the market since the summer of 2012.. mark bratton, vice president of investment properties for colliers international hawaii, who represented the seller, told pbn that the jehovahs witnesses sold the property because they need a smaller location closer to where their members live.. the property was one of the few fee-simple commercially-zoned properties located within the aina haina and hawaii kai neighborhoods, which has about 150,000 square feet of office space and approximately 783,000 square feet of retail space in the trade area, colliers said.. with this limited inventory of commercial-zoned properties in the area, property sales are few and far between, according to colliers, which noted that the nearby aina haina shopping center was sold in 2007, making it the last commercial property sale within that area.. cvs opened its newest hawaii longs drugs store in may in makiki, which was its first new full-service store in urban honolulu in years.. longs drugs, which has operated in hawaii since 1954, currently has 54 locations in the state.

the aina haina neighborhood has longed for a drugstore chain to open in the area.

both walgreens and longs have stores in hawaii kai about four miles away.. duane shimogawa covers energy, real estate and economic development for pacific business news.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ Ocean1111: Well if we take the 500 million or so, the JW land asset sales of the last four years in the US, and project that globally (and include other investment assets) it could be feasible Bethel is liquidating a billion or more in assets

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The Brooklyn properties alone netted WT $1,2 BILLION.

Add to that the sale of 14 Branch offices, plus Assembly Halls and Kingdom Halls, WT is sitting on $Billions.

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If END is Imminent, Why Witness in Silence in Public Places?

by ProfCNJ in

we were taught for 100 years that the end or armageddon is imminent, as if it is coming in a hurry.

but look now at the new way of sharing god's kingdom in uk which i find as a complete irony.

"thousands have switched tactics to stand on street corners in more than a dozen cities across britain - and unusually for public preachers, they are staying almost completely silent... unlike other evangelical preachers, they do not shout or call attention to themselves - instead standing in near-silence until someone approaches them."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691254/how-jehovahs-witnesses-got-street-smart-believers-swap-infamous-doorstepping-standing-outside-train-stations-shops.html.

AndDontCallMeShirley

It is because when people walk by and look at the JW's and the literature, Jehovah is analyzing their hearts and determining if they are worthy of salvation during Armageddon.

So the most powerful person in the universe is reduced to analyzing people exclusively through a crappy literature cart??

What next? Jehovah™ will require any potential convert to Moonwalk wearing one studded glove, then judge them as to worthiness for Everlasting Life™ based on their skill level?