Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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The Present Truth is the Truth and the Old Truth is the Truth, even if they contradict.

by garyneal in

that is the conclusion you must accept if you are a jehovah's witness as my wife tries to explain to me that even if what they are teaching today contradicts what they were previously teaching, they had the truth then and they have the truth now.

the difference is, they (the witnesses and the governing body) simply believed that what they were teaching at the time was the truth but when they discovered new information they adjusted their thinking.

so since they formerly believed it to be the truth, they were in the truth.. an example she gave involved people who once believed the earth was flat.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Classic example of the pot calling the kettle black:

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Awake, 70 4/22 8-10 Changes That Disturb People
Changes That Disturb People

THE churches are in rapid decline. Even in the United States, where religion still enjoys perhaps the greatest popularity, nearly three out of four persons polled said that it is losing influence. Why is there this decline in religion?
One of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches. Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement, or even despair, because of what is happening in your church? A businessman in Medellín, Colombia, expressed the effect the changes have had on many.
"Tell me," he asked, "how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe ‘new things.’ How do I know the ‘new things’ will be the truth in five years?"

...The change in teaching has shaken their confidence in the Church. Would you not feel the same way if what you had always been taught to be vital for salvation was suddenly considered unnecessary? Would you not be inclined to question other teachings of your church also?

…What Becomes Evident

The inability of the Church to explain its position Scripturally makes evident an important fact: The Catholic Church has not based its teachings upon what God’s Word says. Rather, it has founded many of its beliefs and practices on the unstable traditions of men."

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Rapid evolution in action

by cantleave in

a nice example of how the introduction of a competeing species can result in behavioral and anatomical changes in an indigenous one.. http://www.the-scientist.com//?articles.view/articleno/41309/title/rapid-evolution-in-real-time/.

for most of its existence, the carolina anole (anolis carolinensis) was the only lizard in the southwestern u.s. it could perch where it wanted, eat what it liked.

but in the 1970s, aided by human pet trade, the brown anole (anolis sagrei)native to cuba and the bahamascame marching in.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Just like hiding dinosaur bones so they could be found by scientists, Satan has made these rapid changes appear in lizards just to make the Bible look bad. It's a Satanic hoax.

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JAN 2015 Awake - Yet More Fallacies and Disingenuous Statements re Evolution/Creation

by konceptual99 in

so the new awake is up.. first question..... "how did life begin?.

how would you complete the following sentance?.

life is the result of..... a. evolution.

AndDontCallMeShirley

sir82: The householder in the video comes across as a mouth-breathing cretin who needs to be reminded "first socks, then shoes" every morning.

Well, compared to a JW who has a "college-level" education simply by reading the Watchtower and Awake, everyone else is a mouth-breathing cretin.

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JAN 2015 Awake - Yet More Fallacies and Disingenuous Statements re Evolution/Creation

by konceptual99 in

so the new awake is up.. first question..... "how did life begin?.

how would you complete the following sentance?.

life is the result of..... a. evolution.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Why can they not be open, transparent?

WT has never been guilty of transparency. Ever. Transparency is anathema to its core methodology.

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The Present Truth is the Truth and the Old Truth is the Truth, even if they contradict.

by garyneal in

that is the conclusion you must accept if you are a jehovah's witness as my wife tries to explain to me that even if what they are teaching today contradicts what they were previously teaching, they had the truth then and they have the truth now.

the difference is, they (the witnesses and the governing body) simply believed that what they were teaching at the time was the truth but when they discovered new information they adjusted their thinking.

so since they formerly believed it to be the truth, they were in the truth.. an example she gave involved people who once believed the earth was flat.

AndDontCallMeShirley

WT has historically placed the blame on god- not directly, but by default. Afterall, if WT is guided by Jehovah™ in everything it does and teaches, as WT claims, then old "truths" that have been revealed as not being true at all are, in reality, lies. Who taught WT the lies?? God did ! So, it's His fault ! Being that god teaches lies, then he is not the self-proclaimed "god of truth" for whom "it is impossible to lie". By extension, this nullifies all the other hoped-for "promises" WT's god Jehovah has given to JWs- like Armageddon, a Paradise Earth, etc. I wonder how many JWs realize that their held beliefs about the wishy-washiness of Jehovah™ eviscerates their most cherished beliefs?

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WT 09/15/2010

" Similarly today, a Governing Body composed of spirit-anointed Christians contributes to the unity of the worldwide congregation. The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God's Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah.-Isa. 54:13."

As the following quote shows, WT uses euphimisms when things get uncomfortable, like calling errors "misconstructions"; or calling errors "new light". It makes no difference...a falsehood is a falsehood no matter which color of paint you coat it with.

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In the 1954 Douglas Walsh Trial in Scotland, Fred Franz, who was Watchtower president from 1977-1992, was asked about the Society’s changes in doctrine. Here is how he answered:

Q. So that what is published as the truth today by the Society may have to be admitted to be wrong in a few years?

A. We have to wait and see.

Q. And in the meantime the body of Jehovah’s Witnesses have been following error?

A. They have been following misconstructions on the Scriptures.

Q. Error?

A. Well, error.

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Douglas Walsh Trial, Pursuer’s Proof, 1954, p. 114

FREDERICK W FRANZ

The Question was asked by Watchtower Society Lawyer, Haydon C Covington

Q. Who subsequently became the Editor of the magazine, the main Editor of the "Watchtower" magazine?
A. In 1931, October 15th,as I recall, the"Watch Tower" discontinued publishing the names of any editorial committee on the second page.

The Court:He asked you who became the Editor.
The Witness:And it said....
The Court:Who became the Editor?

Q. Who became the Editor when this was discontinued?
A. Jehovah God.

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The REAL purpose of the new 1914 explanation video...

by Calebs Airplane in

when a dub starts to question an elder about this doctrine (at the kh, field circus or wherever), the elder will only need to utter these words: "just watch the video".... .

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AndDontCallMeShirley

No, here's the real reason:

When a dub starts to question an elder about this doctrine (at the KH, field circus or wherever), the elder will only need to utter these words: "Just watch the video" "are you doubting the GB? You are an apostate and must be disfellowshipped"...

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which book says it?

by sowhatnow in

my mom seems to railroad me into a debate at least once a week.. anyway long story short,.

she says 'there is no where in the literture that the wt writers claimed that a specfic year it was going to be armageddon.. well i thought there was, and id like to print it or show it to her, i have some older books but not many.. so, is there?

i told her that the wt claimed that 1975 was going to be the end, she said no, they said that was the beginning of the tribulation.. wow, she forgot about the most recent article ablout that already!.

AndDontCallMeShirley

one could just as easily state it calls for caution ................

Maybe. But what is the "flavor" of the many other quotes that have been posted regarding 1975? What was the impression most JWs were under prior to 1975? WT wasn't 'calling for caution' when it encouraged this kind of decision-making on the part of JWs:

"Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?"

or this:

Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

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Service meeting video....what a non-event

by sir82 in

jw
friends

at our service meeting we saw the video of a jw explaining his beliefs about 1914.. it was.....well, "underwhelming" does not do it justice.

what is below "underwhelming"?

"boringly tepid"?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

"Does that make sense?"

A. "No".

JW: "sorry, you are a goat and have no place in god's organization".

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"Does that make sense?"

B. "Yes".

JW: "You are gullible enough to be a member of the WT Club. Here's your decoder ring and the secret handshake".

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Service meeting video....what a non-event

by sir82 in

jw
friends

at our service meeting we saw the video of a jw explaining his beliefs about 1914.. it was.....well, "underwhelming" does not do it justice.

what is below "underwhelming"?

"boringly tepid"?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Magnum: I can't believe they even mention 1914 anymore, much less how to explain how it's calculated. I didn't think they'd go there anymore. This is the first I've heard of their visiting doctrine like that in a while.

Next week: "How measuring the inside passagways of the Great Pyramid of Giza proves 1914 is correct".

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One Day assembly in Arizona- $17,000 !!

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

i heard from a reliable source that a one-day assembly in arizona last weekend had a "cost" to the publishers of $17,000.. predictably, the elders were nice enough to obligate the attendees to a $6,000 donation to wt before the assembly "costs" (i.e.

"rent/extortion) were even met.

$11,000 rent plus $6000 in extra "donations".

AndDontCallMeShirley

Jeff T: I can't find rates for that area, but I doubt it runs more than $2000 - 3000 a day.

Jeff, before the Ass Hall in Arizona was built, the circuits were renting high school auditoriums for $2,000-$3,000 per weekend. Attendance was usually in the 1200-1500 range. I'm sure your area is comparable.

Now JWs in Az. have to drive 90 minutes or more, instead of 15 minutes, to get the the AH, which is in the middle of nowhere between Tucson and Phoenix, and pay $17,000/day to rent their own mortgage-free building they paid $8 million+ to have.