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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

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  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  > The date of the close of that 'battle' is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874.
  Zion's Watch Tower, 15 January 1892, page 1355

  > We see no reason for changing the figures--nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.
  Zion's Watch Tower, 15 July 1894, page 1677

  > The Scriptures show that the second presence [of the Lord] was due in 1874 . . . . This proof shows that the Lord has been present since 1874.
  --The Watch Tower, 1 March 1923, page 67

  > Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874.
  --The Watch Tower, 1 January 1924, page 5

  > jv chap. 5 pp. 46-47 Proclaiming the Lord’s Return (1870-1914)

  Russell later stated, "he had much to learn from me on the fulness of restitution based upon the sufficiency of the ransom given for all, as I had much to learn from him concerning time." Barbour succeeded in convincing Russell that Christ’s invisible presence had begun in 1874.

  > "We have no doubt whatever in regard to the chronology relating to the dates of 1874, 1914, 1918, and 1925. It was on this line of reckoning that the dates 1874, 1914, and 1918 were located; and the Lord has placed the stamp of his seal upon 1914 and 1918 beyond any possibility of erasure. What further evidence do we need? Using this same measuring line.... it is an easy matter to locate 1925, probably in the fall, for the beginning of the antitypical jubilee. There can be no more question about 1925 than there was about 1914." (Watchtower, p. 150, May 15, 1922)

  Time for some waffle:

  "We did not say positively that this would be the year."
  --Watchtower 11/1/1914, p.5565
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  If you ask any JW what prophecies the WTS has made / got right then they will invariable say something about predicting 1914.

  Plagiarized from the Adventists.

  So, at best, WT can only claim they proclaimed a false prophecy already proclaimed (also failed) by another false religion.

  And, as you said Simon, everything WT now attaches to the 1914 date was originally taught as occuring starting in 1874. 1914 was supposed to be Armageddon, not the beginning of the Last Days.
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Awake 6/8/2013 pg 7-9 last par:

  "You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets, or witnesses, for God. In fact, they are known throughout the world as Jehovah’s Witnesses."

  "The prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: ‘How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?’ when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak."

  WT 09/15/2010

  " Similarly today, a Governing Body composed of spirit-anointed Christians contributes to the unity of the worldwide congregation. The Governing Bodypublishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God's Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah.-Isa. 54:13

  But, in true WT form, they then dismiss Deut. 18 and their own claims of teaching divinely originated predictions as not applying to WT's false prophecies:

  There are some who make spectacular predictions of the world’s end to grab attention and a following, but others are sincerely convinced that their proclamations are true. They are voicing expectations based on their own interpretation of some scripture text or physical event. They do not claim that their predictions are direct revelations from Jehovah and that in this sense they are prophesying in Jehovah’s name. Hence, in such cases, when their words do not come true, they should not be viewed as false prophets such as those warned against at Deuteronomy 18:20-22. In their human fallibility, they misinterpreted matters. --March 22, 1993 Awake

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  "It is a serious matter to represent God and Christ in one way, then find that our understanding of the major teachings and fundamental doctrines of the Scriptures was in error, and then after that, to go back to the very doctrines that, by years of study, we had thoroughly determined to be in error. Christians cannot be vacillating - 'wishy washy' - about such fundamental teachings. What confidence can one put in the sincerity or judgment of such persons?"

  the Watchtower, May 15 1976, p. 298
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  Didn't the Governing Body tell us Israel is safe?

  by kneehighmiah in

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  i'm sure most people heard about this story that broke yesterday.. http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/19/world/meast/jerusalem-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t2.

  of couse the governing body would never encourage the brothers to go to unsafe areas like detroit or israel.

  sadly the brothers would believe it if the governing body told them drinking cyanide was safe.. .

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  The GB also said it was safe to continue to hold meetings in the Philipines during the last typhoon that rolled through. 19 JWs paid with their lives for following that sage advice when the KH was destroyed while the meeting was in progress.
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  Seven Shepherds Eight Dukes

  by Ish Elon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  who is the assyrian?.

  the article entitled seven shepherds, eight dukesawhat they mean for us today in the watchtower of the 15th november 2013 contained this important warning in paragraph 16: ain the near future, jehovahas apparently vulnerable people will come under attack from the modern-day aassyrian,a whose intent will be to wipe them out.a it goes on to say: awhat asecret weapona does micahas prophecy indicate jehovah would raise up against that implacable foeaathe assyriana?

  a very unlikely oneaaseven shepherds, yes, eight dukesa!

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  This is the situation we are also faced with and we received a fair warning and instruction from our control tower, the heavenly part of Jehovah's organization

  "I guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue."
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  Who is copying who? Jws or Mormons?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it amazes me!.

  witnesses go on about how "blessed we are to have the website and all the content from jehovah etc".

  but i have been noticing the parallels between jws and the mormons!.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  the uniqueness of the JW.ORG website is the ever growing and unmatched number of languages wherein a massive amount of spiritual content can be obtained.

  I don't see any "spiritual content" on JW.Org. What section is that in?

  BS is BS, no matter how many languages it's translated into....
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  10 hour basic pioneer provision question

  by Letts Party in

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  i remember hearing about this rumor around the time of the annual meeting.

  did this really happen?

  i haven't heard anything about it at my meeting yet.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Are these people so desperate for a titleof some kind or do they just enjoy creating class systems

  and hierarchies amongst the brothers. Subsets of a subset.

  Yes.
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  Scientists Should Not Dismiss Genesis So Quickly

  by Chris Tann in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  nasa discovery proves the bible scientifically accurate.

  the debate.

  for decades there has been a long standing debate between science and religion as to the validity of the biblical genesis account of creation.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  According to theists he can do all sorts of cool shit.

  God allegedly created the Universe and all life existing, but has never once healed an amputee.
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  Gerrit Losch's "I DO NOT ANSWER TO WATCHTOWER"

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  in gerrit losch's public statement to the superior copurt of california.

  http://www.watchtower.exposed/?p=364.

  documents: https://www.dropbox.com/s/49zyexvagn7ux7j/losch%20public%20statement.jpg?dl=0.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Vidiot: Once again, for the lurkers, trolls, and newbies......if you have to cheat to defend your beliefs, your beliefs don't deserve to be defended.

  Or, as Dawkins said:

  "When a parody is so close to the real thing that they are indistinguishable, why waste time and effort trying to decide?" -- Richard Dawkins
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  wow, shaking my head

  by Hortensia in

  1. jw
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  my neighbor told me she had been talking about me recently.

  "i was saying to carrie in the office i just don't see how anyone can deny the existence of a higher power.

  she needed some q-tips, and found a box of them on the free table by the office.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Sure, god can miraculously provide Q-tips, but can he heal amputees??