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  WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours

  by Cadellin in

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  interesting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.

  i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?

  actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  It always give me a good LMAO moment when WT speculates/wishes for/hopes/fantasizes about what they think some Bible character must have been thinking. Pure nonsense.

  I don't believe the Genesis account either (actually, none of the Bible), but taken as-is, you are right: Satan was the only one who told the truth.

  God mercifully allowed Adam to Eve to live longer in order to have children

  More like, god allowed A&E to have children for no other purpose than prolonging the suffering of humanity. God would be so bored not having anyone to persecute.
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  We're not dealing with sincere anointed who genuinely believe their teachings but scam artists

  by truthseeker in

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  looking at all the doctrinal teachings over the last five years, it's almost impossible for any person of conscience who originated such doctrine to do a complete u-turn and change it when the passage of time has proved beyond doubt that doctrine is no longer credible.. i say this with reference to the generation of 1914. they were so sure.

  it was part of the awake!

  masthead for decades that those who saw the events of 1914 would also see the great tribulation.. .

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  it's almost impossible for any person of conscience who originated such doctrine to do a complete u-turn and change it and still believe it when the passage of time has proved beyond doubt that doctrine is no longer credible.

  "Often the less there is to justify a traditional custom, the harder it is to get rid of it." -- Mark Twain

  Apog: I've generally leaned toward the school of thought that the leadership is sincere...Instead of admitting "We don't know how long a generation is", they've come up with a new definition of "generation" which strains logic in order to explain why we're all still here in 2014.

  Interestingly, though, they did admit indirectly in 1995 that they didn't know the length of the "generation" when they defined it as basically an "era... But they were almost humble there!... on this one issue... for a period of 15 years.

  Not only a major contradiction, but being "almost humble" is like being "almost pregnant". Either you are or you aren't.

  If the definition of "generation" became a fuzzy concept WT sure wasn't letting on (despite the alleged 'sincere' re-thinking of the matter). WT has continued its relentless mantra that Armageddon is coming anyday now. In fact, at the last DC I attended (2011) the Bethel speaker said, "We are in the last days of the last days. The Governing Body really believes that."

  Hardly a fallback position to "we don't know", and 'we'll just leave this one alone for now'.
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  Does science enhance nature or dilute it for you?

  by snare&racket in

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  make a nice mug of hot choc, or your favourite tea/coffee and snuggle up with an inspirational mind...... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bgaw9qe7dee.

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  "Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. When we recognize our place in an immensity of light ‐ years and in the passage of ages, when we grasp the intricacy, beauty, and subtlety of life, then that soaring feeling, that sense of elation and humility combined, is surely spiritual. So are our emotions in the presence of great art or music or literature, or acts of exemplary selfless courage such as those of Mohandas Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. The notion that science and spirituality are somehow mutually exclusive does a disservice to both." -- Carl Sagan
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  Friend Told Me To "Get Over My Doubts & Keep Going Like Everything Is OK!!

  by NoMoreHustle in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  had a coversation with a very close friend (of 15 years) and understands how i feel about the wt org.

  he himself is a serious doubter.

  i on the other hand am not a doubter, i know with every living ounce of myself that this is a cult!

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  "Get Over My Doubts & Keep Going Like Everything Is OK!!"

  No doubt some on the Titanic may have said the same thing...

  He then told me "what is the big deal" just going to meetings & participating also go out in service once in a while.

  What do JWs tell people of other religions when they realize their religion is B.S.? In no uncertain terms, JWs tell them that they must leave their religion immediately in order to "please god". Yet, when it comes to their own religion, suddenly JWs have a million and one reasons to pretend nothing is wrong, toe the line, stay to the WT routine no matter how many doubts they hold.

  Unadulterated hypocrisy in its purest form.
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  Dirty penguins and filthy seals

  by konceptual99 in

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  i had never come across this research into sexually depraved penguins ..... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/09/sex-depravity-penguins-scott-antarctic.

  ...until i saw this about what some seals get up to.... http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/seals-caught-having-sex-penguins.

  maybe it's something they learnt on their long journey back from the ark?.

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  PhilJ: At least the penguin was a living creature. My dog has violated everything [in] the house that remains still for more than 20 seconds.

  This is why I won't ever go to your house for dinner again, Phil. I felt so cheap by the time I left.

  LOL.
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  FDS & G.B. TEACHING DESTROYED

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  credit to vidqun for the direction given.. the watchtower november 15th qfr http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20141115/ blows the selection process/timing/individuals clean out of the water!.

  simply put, ask any witness these questions:.

  who is represented by the 'two witnesses' in revelation chapter 7?

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  L_Q: So, let's count backward 1,260 days from June 21, 1918. Does it result in "the end of 1914?" Not at all! It brings us to January 8, 1915. Another lie.

  Actually counting always messes up these "prophecies".
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

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  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  Christ's invisible presence since 1914 I'll leave for now - I'm feeling generous. Strictly speaking, it can't be proved one way or the other.

  The Adventists used the same ploy when their 1844 prophecy, Re: Christ would return in the flesh in that year, and it didn't pan out. They then came up with the explanation: He DID return- it just happened invisibly.

  Such is the case with "invisible" events...no way to prove it. Works great for quack religions seeking gullible slaves.
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  FDS & G.B. TEACHING DESTROYED

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
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  credit to vidqun for the direction given.. the watchtower november 15th qfr http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20141115/ blows the selection process/timing/individuals clean out of the water!.

  simply put, ask any witness these questions:.

  who is represented by the 'two witnesses' in revelation chapter 7?

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  It is a house built on sand!

  You just described WT's entire theology, not just the teaching about the "two witnesses".
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

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  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  H-W: You are obligated to immediately believe and embrace any doctrine or prediction they publish, even if there is no basis to support it, but when that doctrine clashes with reality and has to be modified, they are ready to be infallible all over again.

  As Freddie Franz finally admitted on the witness stand, after much resistance, in the 1954 Douglas Walsh trial, "unity" in belief for JWs is the prime concern, not truth. All JWs must accept the error of current WT teachings in order to be unified. In other words, they all have to be wrong as a group in order to be right with Jehovah. Incidentally, Franz also stated that Jehovah is the "editor" of WT literature, not men, which re-opens the Pandora's Box of circular, "we aren't false prophets", arguments.

  Truly an ironic stance from a religion that calls itself "The Truth". Shouldn't truth and facts be the prime concern, not unified wrongness??

  MASH: I am trapped in a lift with a plain clothed JW, I did not notice the JW.ORG pin on his casual shirt

  But surely, you would've also seen his JW.Org tote bag, umbrella, ruler, cuff links, necktie, notepad, and iPad screensaver even if you missed the lapel pin, right? LOL.
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  How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

  how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  The only conclusion we can arrive at is: all of Watchtower's false prophecies/failed dates are god's fault:

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  The Watchtower, March 1st , 1965 p. 151 Basis for Reliance on Prophecy

  "The best method of proof is to put a prophecy to the test of time and circumstances. The Bible invites such a test. "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in the Watchtower".

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  "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ' in the name of Jehovah '. Never did they say, ' These are the words of Jehovah'." (AWAKE! 22. March 1993) (note: notice how when things go south, suddenly it's not Watchtower's fault but "Jehovah's Witnesses" fault as a group).

  Oh, really?

  > "This chronology is not of man but of God . . . of divine origin . . . absolutely and unqualifiedly correct." --Watchtower 7/15/1922, p.217

  > "Jehovah's prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: "This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur." (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son's words in a relatively short time." (Watchtower 15. March 1984, p. 6 [brackets theirs!])

  > In the November 15, 1955 Watchtower President Knorr went so far as to say that God was the One who was responsible for the preaching of Rutherford’s message ! Under the heading, "Jehovah Is In His Holy Temple" it says …

  Stirring up increasing interest in them, Jehovah caused to be preached from 1918 the startling public message, "Millions Now Living Will Never Die."