Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

551

Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

Successful family, property, etc. all serve as safety nets that allow someone to take more chances. Without these, there's a huge difference.

Then how do you explain the people (including Whites) who have all the advantages in life and end up losers and failures?

Your arguments are the default of someone looking to make excuses. There's no doubt that what happens in a person's life has an effect, but your arguments are dismally hopeless and depressing and ignore the indomitable will of the human spirit who've proven your hypotheses wrong millions of times.

Shirley, I did not insult your intelligence, I asked why you had a blind spot to the butterfly effect in this case

That's twice and I don't appreciate it. You are quoting stats with no source reference about decades-old data while completely ignoring the present:2014.

Can you make an argument with current data or is 1970 the best you have?

551

Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

Pac: You're normally quite logical on many things here, but you seem to be ignoring huge swaths of history and sociology for a group as a whole in order to accuse them of 'whining,' and I can't even figure out why.

I'm not the one ignoring anything.

"I can't even figure out why". There you have it !

Until the 1970s/1980s, black people as a whole had a problem

It's 2014, Pac. In case you haven't heard, the USA has a Black President, Black military Generals, and a Black billionaire golfer*. Live in the now and quit trying to prop up whatever argument you're making by digressing to decades-old history while simultaneously insulting my intelligence.

[edit] * in addition to a whole list of multi-millionaire Black actors sparky1 just listed. Or do people who've actually accomplished something in life despite any claimed 'racial walls' not count?

551

Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

Ruby456:by structures I mean social structures. I'd like to know which psychologist told that story cos it sounds like something a motivational speaker would say

Ruby, you are obtuse. The whole point of this story is social structures are irrelevant as are the actual events that occur in a person's life. The determininigfactor are the choices they make. A person can make choices that help them rise above so-called limitations or let it sink them. I'm not going to entertain your empty queries and carry water for you. Google it.

BTW- its "because" not "cos". Yet another reason why I am not wasting any more time with you.

20

Two pet peeves of mine

by Sour Grapes in

jw
friends

there are two things that just drive me crazy.

one is that the art work in the watchtower is treated like they are actual still photo's taken thousands of years ago.

your will hear comments about look at the smiles on their faces or the sadnees or happiness in their eyes, or notice the reaction of the crowd, etc.

AndDontCallMeShirley

sir82: what if you don't like fruit?

Then obviously you lack faith and Jehovah™, the god of perpetually hurt feelings, will have to kill you. If you don't like mangos do you really deserve to live forever on a Paradise Earth™?

38

2 Faced JWs and Thanksgiving

by minimus in

jw
friends

many jws enjoy turkey on thanksgiving day and are often discreet about their indulgences.

why be two faced?

why try to excuse it?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

NY44M: The part I hated was that we still had to go to the Thursday night meeting.

At least the high dose of Tryptophan in the turkey would ensure being able to sleep soundly through said meeting.

551

Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

another question (and this question may resonate with what designs is arguing about) would be to ask is did one brother got caught and was sent to prison and the other one became a millionaire because he did not get caught

I hope this is not a serious question.

It's now obvious why you agree with talesin...

Instead of blurting out a ridiculous question which appears to have no lucid thought behind it whatsoever, why not read my explanation first instead of fantasizing about what you think the story should be about?

551

Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

so what was the psychologist arguing for?

He wasn't arguing for anything. He was simply illustrating by a real life example that, regardless of a person's background, they do have choices in life. Using your background as a crutch to become a criminal, be a failure, etc. is a self-limiting choice, not a foregone conclusion.

So the psycholoigst could ask what structures were implicated in one brother ending up in prison and the other being so rich as to be a millionaire?

If, by "structures" you mean what was each brother's thinking pattern, that is precisely the point of the story. One brother framed his background to mean he had no choice but to become a criminal just like his father; the other brother framed his experience to motivate him to be the exact opposite of his father.

In case you missed the point, each brother lives in the same country (USA) and grew up in the exact same circumstances. So the argument that a person's experiences and "geography" (growing up in a "thug-rich" environment) determine his life is pure nonsense.

I don't know if you are asking a clarifying point or looking for something to argue about. I related a true story. Either accept it or don't.

and what does psychology have to offer?

Really?

551

Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

To talesin:

I'm going to paraphrase a true story which reveals the fallacious nature of your claims, Re: "geography" and skin color hamstring a person's opportunities and choices in life.

---

Two sibling brothers (incidentally, black men) grew up with an abusive, alcoholic father who ended up in federal prison serving a life sentence for murder.

One brother ended up in prison himself for various felonies; the other brother became a self-made millionaire, pillar of the community with a happy, successful family.

A psychologist interviewed both brothers (one still in prison) independently; neither brother knew the other was being interviewed, therefore, one's answers could not influence the other's.

The psychologist recorded each brother's version of their life experiences, and at the end of the interview he asked them both one question: "how is it that you ended up where you are in life right now?"

They both gave the identical answer: "With a father and upbringing like mine, what choice did I have?"

551

Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

PS. I undersatnd your personal bias. You are most likely, white and middle class. 'Nuff said!

And you are the one pointing fingers at others about racism? Astonishing. It didn't take long for you to show who you really are...which nullifies any previous arguments you made about the evils of racism in the 21st century.

551

Officer Wilson not indicted in killing of Michael Brown

by Simon in

after a thorough investigation and weighing of the evidence the grand jury has decided not to indict the officer.. the reaction so far seems as predicted - people refuse to accept that the result represents justice despite claims that is what they wanted.. there is now violence and vandalism, including gunshots.

let's hope the police contain the troublemakers.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

talesin: I don't get your point, except to be 'right'. And that's okay. I don't need to win.

Go forth, and multiply. The ignorant always need more ppl on their side.

A typical response. I expect no less from you.

What's hilarious is that you are pissed off by words you wrote, and your only retort is a childish ad hominem when I quote you. Will you be grown up enough to admit I accurately quoted you and in context? Or, are you going to pretend you didn't say what you said.