Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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Do Jws even need Jesus?

by TTWSYF in

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just thinking out loud becauseof some things my elder brother has said in the past.

how his works help ensure his future w/the great crowd on earth.. .

well, i need jesus for my salvation,but perhaps some of you do not.. just asking.

AndDontCallMeShirley

But you will never hear a JW praising Jesus.

If they do, this will result in the JW getting plastered with the "apostate" label faster than almost anything else (except questioning the GB).

JWs get noticably uncomfortable when a JW brother talks too much about Jesus.

Here is the true savior for JWs:

"We can enter into Jehovah’s rest — or join him in his rest — by obediently working in harmony with his advancing purpose as it is revealed to us through his organization." --W 7/15/11, p.28

"To ensure their salvation... it will be just as imperative that we follow the leadings of the holy spirit and obey Jehovah’s instructions through his organization." --W 9/15/91, p.17

"To understand the Bible for their salvation they had to have it explained through God’s organization". --W 11/15/61, p.692

"If we are to have Jehovah’s favor and blessing as individuals, we must support his organization and accept adjustments in our understanding of the Scriptures." -- W 5/15/14, p.29

"Thus the Bible is an organizationalbook and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind." Watchtower 1967 Oct 1 p.587

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as wacky as CT Russell was, at least he got this right:

> "We always refuse to be called by any other name than that of our Head --Christians--continually claiming that their can be no division among those continually led by his Spirit and example as made known through his Word." -- Zion’s Watch Tower 1883 Mar p.6

> "The endeavor to compel all men to think alike on all subjects, culminated in the great apostasy; The union of the early church, based upon the simple gospel and bound only by love, gave place to the bondage of the Church of Rome a slavery of God's children, from the degradation of which multitudes are still weak and suffering" -- Zion's Watch Tower 1893 Sep p.264

> "We belong to no earthly organization; hence, if you should name the entire list of sects, we should answer, No, to each and to all. We adhere only to that heavenly organization- "whose names are written in heaven." (Heb. 12 :23; Luke 10: 20.) All the saints now living, or that have lived during this age, belonged to OUR CHURCH ORGANIZATION: such are all ONE Church, and there is NO OTHER recognized by the Lord. Hence any earthly organization which in the least interferes with this-union of saints is contrary to the teachings of Scripture and opposed to the Lord's will-"that they may be ONE." --W 2/1884, pp.1,2

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Glaring discrepency in Blood Doctrine

by kjg132 in

i found an article on the dr. sears website about the benefits of breasfeeding.

according to the article it says: "a drop of breastmilk contains about one million white blood cells.

" it also says "colostrum also contains higher amounts of white blood cells..........than mature milk.

AndDontCallMeShirley

In WT's view, the symbol for life is more important than life!

It's no different than argung that a wedding ring is more important than the marriage itself; and if one must choose one or the other, you save the ring and discard the marriage.

Incidentally, under the Law, a Jew could eat the unbled meat of an animal they found already dead. Why? Because, since the Jew did not take the animal's life, there was nothing to return to god (in symbol of pouring out the blood). No life taken= nothing to return to god= it was acceptable to eat the meat.

Does anyone give their life when donating blood? No!

No life was taken = nothing to return to god.

Even if a transfusion constituted "eating" blood (it does not), under the Law a JW could still accept a transfusion. But, JWs aren't under the Law (except when WT needs to digress in order to fabricate yet another nonsensical policy to bind JWs with, like the "two witness" rule). So WT's rule is absurd no matter how one looks at it.

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does the wt always carefully phrase sentences so as to never take blame?

by sowhatnow in

im recalling a time when i sat and circled words in a watchtower article, indicating strongly the fact that it is in fact the writters opinion.. however just the suggestion in the sentence these words are ignored.. for example.

it is our understanding.

we believe this to be the case.

AndDontCallMeShirley

@ hairtrigger:

your loquaciousness is tempered by your perspicacity and borders on antidisestablishmentarianism. You gave those WT troglodytes a well-deserved drubbing. I like it.

sparrowdown: The WT are sons of fatherless goats!

Their mothers are hamsters and their fathers smell of elderberries. To them I say, "nee!"

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Glaring discrepency in Blood Doctrine

by kjg132 in

i found an article on the dr. sears website about the benefits of breasfeeding.

according to the article it says: "a drop of breastmilk contains about one million white blood cells.

" it also says "colostrum also contains higher amounts of white blood cells..........than mature milk.

AndDontCallMeShirley

BOC: My quick fix: breastfeeding is now a disfellowshipping offense

That sucks.

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Stop BREATHING you SINNER!

by stuckinarut2 in

(this may offend some sincere 'christians'.

can you, as a human, stop yourself from breathing?.

i have always thought that one of the basic teachings of 'christianity' is the concept that we are "mere sinners"...riddled with guilt and not worthy of god or life...undeserved kindness has been shown to us etc.... but, we have no control over that, just as we have no control over breathing air!.

AndDontCallMeShirley

SO, are we guilty for something we can do nothing about??

According to J-Hoover: yes

Is that fair and just??

According to J-Hoover: yes

Conclusion: J-Hoover isn't worth my time.

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Thank You From Captives of a Concept

by Cameron_Don in

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i wanted to thank so many who have taken the time and effort to read and recommend captives of a concept over the past decade.. for those who have not seen it, there is an interview on youtube that may have helped some witnesses begin the process of getting the sense of the way the watchtower religion actually works.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5trkrpia-3q.

don cameron.

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AndDontCallMeShirley

Your book was instrumental in my exit from WT. Thank you so much, Don, for gifting us with your writings.

I have recommended your book to several JWs in their exiting process, and I still refer to it frequently as a great reminder of why I left.

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does the wt always carefully phrase sentences so as to never take blame?

by sowhatnow in

im recalling a time when i sat and circled words in a watchtower article, indicating strongly the fact that it is in fact the writters opinion.. however just the suggestion in the sentence these words are ignored.. for example.

it is our understanding.

we believe this to be the case.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Vidiot: Using weasel words is, for all intents and purposes - cheating.

Cheating* in WT Land, is for all intents and purposes- listen, obey, and be blessed.

"Blessed" by the GB really means: hornschwaggled.

sparky1: AndDon'tCallMeShirley, the GOVERNING BODY called and they have a message for you: STOP MAKING SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry...I'll try to work on that.

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* also known as "Theocratic Warfare".

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Glaring discrepency in Blood Doctrine

by kjg132 in

i found an article on the dr. sears website about the benefits of breasfeeding.

according to the article it says: "a drop of breastmilk contains about one million white blood cells.

" it also says "colostrum also contains higher amounts of white blood cells..........than mature milk.

AndDontCallMeShirley

The other part is, where in the Bible does it distinguish fractions of blood?

According to WT, there's a categorical prohibition against using blood ("abstain"), yet it has found a way to justify fractions of blood.

Since the same scripture also mentions abstaining from fornication, I contend fractions of fornication are also acceptable (as per WT logic).

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does the wt always carefully phrase sentences so as to never take blame?

by sowhatnow in

im recalling a time when i sat and circled words in a watchtower article, indicating strongly the fact that it is in fact the writters opinion.. however just the suggestion in the sentence these words are ignored.. for example.

it is our understanding.

we believe this to be the case.

AndDontCallMeShirley

...and of course, WT can default to the infamous "tacking" excuse for doctrinal flip-flops, false prophecies and lies:

"However, it may have seemed to some as though that path has not always gone straight forward. At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seeminglyto previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case. This might be compared to what is known in navigational circles as "tacking." By maneuvering the sails the sailors can cause a ship to go from right to left, back and forth, but all the time making progress toward their destination in spite of contrary winds. And that goal in view for Jehovah’s servants is the "new heavens and a new earth" of God’s promise." -- W 12-1-81, p.27

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does the wt always carefully phrase sentences so as to never take blame?

by sowhatnow in

im recalling a time when i sat and circled words in a watchtower article, indicating strongly the fact that it is in fact the writters opinion.. however just the suggestion in the sentence these words are ignored.. for example.

it is our understanding.

we believe this to be the case.

AndDontCallMeShirley

WT uses many tactics.

1) For instance, it makes emphatic, positive statements (from god, no less) when promoting dates or doctrines:

"...all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (1889)

"...but the same fact and scriptures, teaching the same time and presence, stand unchallenged and incontrovertible". (1899)

"...we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." 1902

"They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours." 1894

To flat-out denial if what it has actually written when things go south:

"We did not say positively that this would be the year." --Watchtower 11/1/1914, p.5565

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2) WT praises JWs for following the direction/orders WT expects everyone to obey dutifully and without question. For example:

"Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and propertyand planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3)

...then chastises JWs for actually being stupid enough to believe WT and following that very advice:

"It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year. They may have, for this reason, put off or neglected things that they otherwise would have cared for. But they have missed the point of the Bibles warnings concerning the end of this system of things, thinking that Bible chronology reveals the specific date." (Watchtower, July 15, 1976, p. 440)

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3) Blatantly lying and contradicting itself (knowing JWs will buy the lie hook, line and sinker):

"Following 1925, meeting attendance dropped dramatically in some congregations... Again, in 1975, there was disappointment when expectations regarding the start of the Millennium failed to materialize. Again, some withdrew from the organization." --- Proclaimers (Jv), p.633

"This organization has NEVER disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure water of truth from God´s Word". --- W 7-15-2011

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4) WT asserting it's authority as god's only spokesman and expecting full obedience from JWs:

"...The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah." --W 9/15/10, p.13

then blaming, not itself (WT/GB) for the failings, but suddenly the blame falls on "Jehovah's Witnesses" as a group:

"Did the beliefs of Jehovah’s Witnesses on these matters prove to be correct? They certainly did not err in believing that God would without fail do what he had promised. But some of their time calculations and the expectations that they associated with these gave rise to serious disappointments." Proclaimers, pp. 632-633