Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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Bible's mention of physical beauty- why?

by Magnum in

for years, as i've read through the bible, i've wondered why bible writers were concerned about physical beauty (see references below)?

i realize it's human nature to be interested in beauty, but why did they see fit to record in the so-called "word of god" the fact that some of the people they wrote about were beautiful?

looks are not supposed to matter according to jw doctrine (and probably the doctrine of many christian-professing sects).

AndDontCallMeShirley

Moses was just too sexy....

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Please post new forum feedback or questions here

by Simon in

well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Same with my account, Oubliette: 95 posts and one topic for me.

Perhaps my thousands of other posts exist here only "invisibly" with the second coming of JWN ? LOL.

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Please post new forum feedback or questions here

by Simon in

well, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Simon....

I'm not getting the quote button to work no matter what I try (highlighting the material then clicking "; click the quote button first; re-clicking it, etc.)

You mentioned in an earlier post that the quote button is supposed to toggle on and off... mine doesn't do that.

Suggestions?

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My dub aunt thinks Obama is mentioned in the bible.

by Jehovah lol in

she's not even american and doesn't live in the usa so it's not even her area of political awareness really.

she seems convinced that obama is the prophesied wolf in sheep's clothing mentioned in revelation.. it's unusual for non-us dubs to hold the weirder beliefs, so this is a new one for me.

she also said that the end is very close now and that things are a foot with north korea; it's clearly the king of the north.. she said exactly the same thing 5 years ago about china, and exactly the same thing 10 years ago about iraq.. derp derp..

AndDontCallMeShirley

JWs have been looking for 'X = fulfilled Bible prophecy' for 134 years. This is yet another example of the 'JW absurdities recycling program':

"Did you ever stop to consider how the radio is fulfilling a prophecy before our eyes today?... When people tune in on WBBR or WORD, or other stations now being used to disseminate the message of Messiah's incoming kingdom, they are witnessing and hearing the fulfillment of this ancient prophecy..." (Golden Age, 12-1-26)

"ONE of the Lord's promises to His followers was, "That which you have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops." This prophecy is being literally fulfilled by the Bible Students today, every time they use the radio." (Golden Age 4-20-27)

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Article: Jehovah’s Witnesses holding classes at Palm Coast training center

by AndersonsInfo2 in

jw
friends

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20141226/news/141229531?p=1&tc=pg.

jehovahs witnesses holding classes at palm coast training center.

by tony [email protected].

AndDontCallMeShirley

"... hundreds of Jehovah’s Witnesses regularly converge for advanced Bible study."

LOL.

"advanced Bible study" = how to find a scripture on an iPad.

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Bible's mention of physical beauty- why?

by Magnum in

for years, as i've read through the bible, i've wondered why bible writers were concerned about physical beauty (see references below)?

i realize it's human nature to be interested in beauty, but why did they see fit to record in the so-called "word of god" the fact that some of the people they wrote about were beautiful?

looks are not supposed to matter according to jw doctrine (and probably the doctrine of many christian-professing sects).

AndDontCallMeShirley

Bible's mention of physical beauty- why?

It was a prophecy about me...

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Do current JWs like to have Bible discussions?

by Magnum in

on another thread rufus t. firefly made this interesting comment:.

my wife is a "zealous" regular pioneer who never talks about the bible or "the truth" and who has no interest in conducting a bible study with anyone.

this is how one remains a jw.. i decided to start a new thread to discuss this, since i didn't want to veer completely off the topic of the original thread.. i can relate to what rufus said - not concerning my wife, but other close jw family members.

AndDontCallMeShirley

My take:

1. Apathy. The Bible or 'spiritual' things have little relevance in a JWs life anymore. Following Organizational procedure ("listen, obey and be blessed") takes priority over everything; blindly follow WT and you are golden. Who needs the Bible? People generally do not have a problem freely talking about what really interests them. The fact that JWs talk very little, or not at all, about the Bible speaks volumes. You don't talk about things you're not thinking about. Period.

2. As others have noted, "Bible discussions" are nothing more than regurgitating what has been printed in a magazine. Not very interesting (and most likely few JWs have actually even read the magazine anyway. Nothing to discuss).

3. I also think there's a growing number of JWs who secretly do not agree with WT. I recently heard of several long-time JWs mocking the stupidity of ToMo's "Spanx" rant. It's a revealing attitude from these JWs toward someone who's allegedly anointed and a GB member. If JWs really believed that they wouldn't criticize good 'ol Tony at all.

4. Bringing up an honest Bible discussion (or anything else WT-related) would most likely result in disagreement with WT, which sends up the JW red flag of apostate suspicions. Why go there?

5. The new replacement for the Bible: jw org. The JW Golden Calf. Why open a Bible or even discuss it when you have a website?

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research impossible

by sowhatnow in

so, now that nearly all of the past knowledge that jw's has had is slowly being deleted, how does anyone do any research on any subject?.

meetings are pretty boring as it is, all they do is parrot the society's writings.. how is this going to work?

i have to wonder , what point is the service meeting , once you know how to walk up to a door and hand someone a magazine.

AndDontCallMeShirley

January 1, 1994 issue on page 21, stated;

For the past 114 years, The Watchtower, like a skillful lawyer has established itself as a defender of Bible truth and doctrine .. it continues to be the principal instrument of 'the faithful and discreet slave' and its Governing Body for announcing Jehovah's established Kingdom and dispensing spiritual food 'at the proper time.'

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Ironically, this quote also reveals how WT doctrine has changed, i.e. the identity of the 'faithful slave'. 1994... ancient history in WT Land.

Why is this lawyer like skillful defense of Bible truth and doctrine, in older publications, not made available to researchers?

For the same reason the Flock book is not made available to the public or the R&F JWs. Despite the fact that the inside cover of the Flock book says it is made available as part of a "worldwide educational work", in reality it is available only to a select few.

It is a classic WT misdirect and false claim.

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research impossible

by sowhatnow in

so, now that nearly all of the past knowledge that jw's has had is slowly being deleted, how does anyone do any research on any subject?.

meetings are pretty boring as it is, all they do is parrot the society's writings.. how is this going to work?

i have to wonder , what point is the service meeting , once you know how to walk up to a door and hand someone a magazine.

AndDontCallMeShirley

More realistically, the situation now is:

I have to wonder , what point is the service meeting , once you know how to walk up to a door and ~~hand someone a magazine~~ tell someone to go to JW.Org. why go anymore? *

* answer: WT is focused on busy work for JWs, not productivity.

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The Atheist Ten Non-Commandments

by AndDontCallMeShirley in

according to a number of studies though, religion is in trouble.

a survey by the pew research center in 2012 saw record numbers indicating a huge upswing in atheism, with 20 percent of americans now identifying as agnostic, atheist or "unaffiliated" with a religion.

this was the highest percentages ever of "nones" or those who are unaffiliated in pew research center polling.. so with more people considering themselves atheist, what do they believe when it comes to the rules to live by?

AndDontCallMeShirley

According to a number of studies though, religion is in trouble. A survey by the PEW Research Center in 2012 saw record numbers indicating a huge upswing in Atheism, with 20 percent of Americans now identifying as Agnostic, Atheist or "Unaffiliated" with a religion. This was the highest percentages ever of "nones" or those who are unaffiliated in Pew Research Center polling.

So with more people considering themselves atheist, what do they believe when it comes to the rules to live by? As part of the new book Atheist Mind, Humanist Heart: Rewriting the Ten Commandments for the Twenty-first Century, authors Lex Bayer and John Figdor held a contest in which atheists were asked to offer modern alternatives to the Ten Commandments.

Here are the winners of the "Ten Non-Commandments:"

1. Be open-minded and be willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence.

2. Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not to believe what you wish to be true.

3. The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world.

4. Every person has the right to control of their body.

5. God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life.

6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them.

7. Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective.

8. We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations

9. There is no one right way to live.

10. Leave the world a better place than you found it.

And there's your moral code. No need to carve it in stone or hand it down from a mountain. Did we ever really need a supernatural being or a book to tell us these things? I think we'll be just fine on our own. All we need to do is start thinking for ourselves.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-siebold/dont-just-question-the-te_b_6367584.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592