Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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BRITAIN - 23 April 2013 - Criminal Damage to Jehovah's Witness building in Felpham

by jwleaks in

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criminal damage to jehovah's witness building in felpham .

23 april 2013. .

police are appealing for witnesses after the jehovah's witness kingdom hall, flansham lane in felpham was subjected to religiously aggravated criminal damage overnight between thursday 11 april and friday 12 april.

AndDontCallMeShirley

On another note, why are they involving the police ? They dont seem to know how to call them for pedophiles ? Why dont they leave it to Jehovah ?!?!

Vandalizing a Kingdom Hall is a greater crime than raping children. Ever hear of prioritizing?

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Another Lie/Revisionist History in todays WT study!!

by BU2B in

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i caught yet another revisionist history deception in todays wt lesson.. .

here is a quote from paragraph 4 of the 2/15/13 study edition.

"decades before 1914, jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble.".

AndDontCallMeShirley

*lost* said:

Reslight

Have you seen the Creation Drama slides ? The Egyptians named/worshipped Adam as the first Pharoah ( I didn't know this ) then russel was there researching it.

1874 + 40 = 1914

(somebody above mentioned the war was in the pipelin for 40 yrs before the outbreak . then I realised, combined 1914, not sure if it relevent.)

ADCMS: lost- it wouldn't matter if reslight knows that already or not. He asserted earlier in this thread that Russell considered chronology and time prophecies as "non-essential" and really didn't talk about it that much in WT literature. Reslight totally dismissed the quotes I posted earlier plainly showing that Russell was very definite about his chronologies and viewed them as "god's dates". Reslight instead presented a Straw Man argument, and said at least Russell didn't force anyone to accept his views. I'm fully aware of this...and I never brought it up. Reslight uses diversionary tactics to avoid answering questions and acknowledging information he's uncomfortable with.

Reslight2 also stated that he doesn't really believe Russell actually measured the pyramid at Giza, even though Russell travelled to Egypt twice and wrote a book about it- a book, incidentally, that discussed chronology and time prophecies in great detail. But, don't think about that too much- reslight2 doesn't either. Reslight believes Russell spent a lot of time and money travelling to Egypt just to have a photo taken of himself holding a big stick in his hand.

Reslight confuses his beliefs as fact, and you'll not make a dent with him.

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Another Lie/Revisionist History in todays WT study!!

by BU2B in

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i caught yet another revisionist history deception in todays wt lesson.. .

here is a quote from paragraph 4 of the 2/15/13 study edition.

"decades before 1914, jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble.".

AndDontCallMeShirley

reslight-

I've provided many quotes and article citations which show your claims are not as tenable as you think they are. You've provided none. You make claims without substantiation. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, saying the same things over and over ad nauseum, does not make it true.

I have many more quotes that debunk your various positions, but decided against posting them as it would do no good.

You are entitled to your opinions, I respect that, and I have no real need to convince you of anything.

I'll conclude with a quote that is very apropos to this discussion:

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe."- Carl Sagan

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Another Lie/Revisionist History in todays WT study!!

by BU2B in

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i caught yet another revisionist history deception in todays wt lesson.. .

here is a quote from paragraph 4 of the 2/15/13 study edition.

"decades before 1914, jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble.".

AndDontCallMeShirley

reslight2 said: everything that Russell stated, especially regard non-essentials such as chronology and time prophecy, was, as he said, his 'own surmissings'.

Occasionally Russell admitted he was "surmising", but more often than not, he was very dogmatic about his views and the certainty of them. Your statement that Russell considered chronology and "time prophecy" as "non-essential" is completely absurd, as the quotes below illustrate. Russell based everything on chronology! He went so far as the travel to the Great Pyramid of Giza twice to measure it's inner dimensions to "prove" his date of 1914. It was hardly "non-essential" to him.

The date of the close of that 'battle' is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874.
Zion's Watch Tower, 15 January 1892, page 1355

We see no reason for changing the figures--nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, God's dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.
Zion's Watch Tower, 15 July 1894, page 1677

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99)

reslight2 said:

Many world leaders and military officers anticipated a major war starting in Europe prior to 1914. It was a matter of "when", not "if" it would happen.

I am not sure what this is based on. I learned in college that in 1913, the general consensus of most people was that there was NOT going to be any more wars.

ADCMS: Then you need to read more reslight2!! In fact, 40 years before the outbreak of WW 1, many saw it coming. I'm not going to give you my documentation or sources for this. If you care to know the answer, go look it up, just as I did!! I did not refer to "the general consensus of most people" as you do- I stated that political and military officials, persons actually aware of developing circumstances, were noting an impending major war. The "general consensus" is generally unaware and uninformed, so of course they thought everything was wonderful. Experts in-the-know thought differently.

wulf said: Wow it's quite interesting to read a Bible Student well versed in Russell etc (@reslight2).

ADCMS: REALLY ?!!!

A few reslight quotes:

The "change" spoke of above evidently actually took place in 1911 edition

it has been speculated that the change may have been made without Russell’s authorization

one could conclude that Russell may have changed this

it would appear

I can only assume

The thought under speculation

Nevertheless, I do not know for a certainty

he died in 1914

It may have been that when changes were made that someone somehow, either by accident, or on purpose

I am not sure what this is based on

evidently Russell did not wish to go into the details at that time

Neverthleless, there may have been

There were evidently

one could say

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Another Lie/Revisionist History in todays WT study!!

by BU2B in

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friends

i caught yet another revisionist history deception in todays wt lesson.. .

here is a quote from paragraph 4 of the 2/15/13 study edition.

"decades before 1914, jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble.".

AndDontCallMeShirley

reslight said: Indeed, his writings show that he died in 1914 still holding to the belief that the Gentile Times had ended in 1914 (not 1915).

ADCMS: You really need to check your facts before commenting. The change in thought from 1902 to 1915 edition of "The Time Is At Hand" is accurate. Your speculations include a lot of "if", "may", "evidently", "would appear", "we highly doubt", "somehow", "I do not know", etc. Speculations and opinion on your part do not equate to fact.

Since Russell died in 1916, not 1914 as you erroneously assert, then your speculations that WT writings were changed posthumously are unfounded. Since Russell was the final authority as to WT content, and was the author of most of the articles, it is unreasonable to conclude he had no idea the changes were made without his knowledge. The paper trail left in WT publications is beyond dispute that major revisions were made both while Russell was alive and after his death as to what WT was expecting Re: 1914.

*** jv chap. 6 p. 63 A Time of Testing (1914-1918) ***

On October 16, 1916, Brother Russell and his secretary Menta Sturgeon departed on a previously arranged lecture tour of western and southwestern parts of the United States. Russell, though, was seriously ill at the time. The tour took them first to Detroit, Michigan, by way of Canada. Then, after stops in Illinois, Kansas, and Texas, the two men arrived in California, where Russell delivered his last talk on Sunday, October 29, in Los Angeles. Two days later, in the early afternoon of Tuesday, October 31, 64-year-old Charles Taze Russell died on a train at Pampa, Texas. Notice of his death appeared in The Watch Tower of November 15, 1916.

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New light is Scientifically Accurate!! Here is the Proof!!

by DATA-DOG in

wt 1981 12/1 pg.

28 paragraph 9.. .

" such adjustments might be said to follow a principle that has been said to govern the progress of scientific truth.

AndDontCallMeShirley

Oubliette said:

That's an interesting quote, but a pretty lame explanation of the scientific method.

Also, scientists are subject to peer review. The GB forbid their followers from even having secret doubts.

They want to appear objective, but that's clearly just an act.

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ADCMS: This is an excellent point. Scientific Method has the mindset of disproving current theory, always with the goal of making sure information and theories are correct. In the process of disproving theories, scientists either prove current thinking accurate or they reveal flaws and readjust as necessary. This is how bad science is revealed and debunked.

This is very different from WT mentality, which is continually seeking to prove their position right, and ignoring all evidence that undermines their position. WT hangs on to positions that are untenable precisely because they cannot, and will not, admit error and really are not interested in truth. They must retain their doctrines at all costs to prop up their authority. Therefore, despite all the evidence to the contrary, WT must adhere to doctrines such as 607 BCE, 1914, their belief they are the 'faithful slave', the ban on blood transfusions, disfellowshipping, etc. despite the overwhelming and incontrovertible evidence that says they are either flat-out wrong or need to make adjustments.

"The problem with having all the answers is that it does not allow for any questions".

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I think they would re-word this today !

by Splash in

unintended innuendo - made me laugh anyway!.

*** w87 5/1 p. 24 looking back over 93 years of living ***.

one saturday night in the spring of 1913, albert had gone to bed early in the dormitory of the ymca, where he was living while working in chicago.

AndDontCallMeShirley

There are so many problems for WT in this short paragraph:

1. the YMCA: Obviously, Albert has aligned himself with a false religious organization and has compromised his Christian neutrality. Albert must be disfellowshipped immediately.

2. and their daughter Nora was to have a girlfriend: It seems perhaps Nora could be a lesbian. She has not read the recent "Young People Ask" article entitled, " Can a Girl and a Girl Just Be Friends?"

3. Two girls would be too much for Albert’s roommate to handle by himself.: Why is Albert's friend associating, not with just one girl, but two? Does Albert's friend have a chaperone with them at all times? Does he intend to marry one of the girls? Has he read the recent "Young People Ask" article entitled, "Can A Boy and a Girl(s) Just Be Friends?"

4. Albert rose to the occasion: Why is Albert supporting a possibly inappropriate relationship between two girls, one girl and one boy, or between one boy and two girls? Why is Albert possibly sporting a woody? Doesn't he know that woodys lead to masterbation, and masterbation leads to homosexuality? This happens more often than one thinks (YY ch.5, p.39).

Albert has not read and applied the recent "Young People Ask" article entitled, " Can Two Boys and Two Girls, Or One Boy and Two Girls, Or Two Girls Only, Or Two Boys And One Girl, Or One Boy And His Woody Just Be Friends?"

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New light is Scientifically Accurate!! Here is the Proof!!

by DATA-DOG in

wt 1981 12/1 pg.

28 paragraph 9.. .

" such adjustments might be said to follow a principle that has been said to govern the progress of scientific truth.

AndDontCallMeShirley

"Time and again this principle has applied in the way Proverbs 4:18 has been fulfilled. "

Except for the fact that Prov. 4:18 isn't talking about 'revealed truth'/ new light at all! I wonder if anyone at WT has actually read chapter 4 to see verse 18 in context?

How can Prov. 4:18 be "fulfilled"? It's not a prophecy!

"Such adjustments might be said to follow a principle that has been said to govern the progress of scientific truth"

Otherwise known in WT Land as "tacking". This is where you go in a big circle to come back to exactly where you started decades prior- then call it progress.

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I'M SERIOUS!!!! If you eat cupcakes you will die at the Big "A"

by Gojira_101 in

i was just doing dishes not really thinking about anything in particular, and all of a sudden this experience came flooding back and i started crying.. a few years ago i went back to one of the states i lived in to see/visit my friends (before i learned ttatt, i was still a happy borg at this time).. the friends i were staying with had two young girls, one was 3rd grade and the other was preschool.

so one day the father comes home after picking up the older girl (i think she was 7, 8...i'm not sure exactly this was several years ago) and she was all red and looked like she had been crying.

i noticed she had some blue at the corner of her mouth.

AndDontCallMeShirley

I once engaged in Fiddle Faddle with a Ho Ho and felt really dirty. Little Debbie was great ( I call her "Snack Cake"), but I felt even more dirty than when I was with the Ho Ho. To make things worse, Little Debbie did a Banana Flip on my Ding Dong while the Ho Ho watched. Later, Little Debbie left me for the Three Muskateers.

Later, I was diagnosed with Goobers which made little Dots all over my Whopper. It was a gummi bear to get rid of. My dr. told me I had a Snowballs chance in Hot Tamales of being cured and it cost me a 100 Grand. Yeah, I know...I can hear all the Snickers right now.

The moral of this story is: Don't eat birthday cupcakes! It's not called the "gateway" snack for nothing. Birthday cake is what started me down my dark path...

It's too bad that the JW god is so overly sensitive and immature that eating a cupcake sends him over the edge into homicidal rage.

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I hope this is a joke.

by dazed but not confused in

i sure hope this is a joke.... .

AndDontCallMeShirley

I love question 18: "if someone says the earth is billions (or millions) of years old, what can you say?" answer: "were you there". I would retort with: "If someone says god created everything 6,000 years ago, what can you say?" my answer: "were you there?" Next semester: The Earth is flat and why scientists are wrong. The Moon is made of cheese- 101 proofs from the Bible.