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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

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  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  @ sir82...

  Exactly! and for the reason you stated is why WT is ramping up comments like this:

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  "At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." (W 11-15-13)

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  the pre-planned set up for failure is a common ploy in politics, religion, etc. because it works so well....and sets things in place for the real objective.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Suspicious: Also for the record with everyone doing the math on 13,000 new kingdom halls, I would like to say that the letter never mentioned there are 13,000 new kingdom halls being erected

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  From the Letter:

  "congregations will now be asked to pool their resources worldwide to support the construction of theocratic facilities wherever they are needed.

  Instead, all congregations will have the opportunity to support Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction worldwide. . .

  The need for Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls is greater than ever before. At this time, over 13,000 Kingdom Hall projects and 35 Assembly Hall projects are needed worldwide. . .

  We are confident that by means of Jehovah’s continued blessing and the generosity of the worldwide brotherhood, the new arrangement for financing Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction will be a success as well."

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  "projects" and "construction" = new buildings. The letter makes that very clear.
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  New field service rules coming this summer

  by doinmypart in

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  new guidelines for field service coming this summer.

  new publication to be released giving new ways of counting time, conducting studies, group activities, etc..

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  You could check his previous posts and see his record of accurate information.

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  I wasn't criticizing or questioning his genuineness...I'm interested to know what he's talking about...
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  New field service rules coming this summer

  by doinmypart in

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  new guidelines for field service coming this summer.

  new publication to be released giving new ways of counting time, conducting studies, group activities, etc..

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Is this speculation or do you have some proof?
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  What is the point of Judicial Committees??

  by quellycatface in

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  i've had 2 jc's, both resulted in reproof.. but.....in church, the vicar asks us do reflect quitely on anything that we have done that we're not happy about and to ask for forgiveness in our heart.

  knowing that jesus will forgive us, if we are sorry and have faith in him.

  good.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Fear and guilt are two of the most powerful ways to control another person or group of people. JC's accomplish both.
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  Jesus Christ rule since 1914 , what has he accomplished .

  by smiddy in

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  how has jesus christ been ruling since 1914. well, here is a breif list to shut your apostate mouths forever .. 1., he raised up c.t russell as the first president of the ibsa , ok ,he hadnt returned just then , but he was going to, soon.

  apparently w.h.

  connelly was actually the first president before russell , maybe he didnt quite measure up.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Smiddy....

  Both Russell and Rutherfraud believed Jesus had already returned- in 1874. They were not looking for his return in 1914. Russell was looking for Armageddon in 1914. In fact, the 1914 date as Jesus' return was not officially changed in WT literature until 1943, although it had become accepted in practice before that change. Both Russell and Rutherfraud went to their graves believing Jesus had returned in 1874. So how could they be his "faithful slave"? They had no idea when their Master had really returned (according to revised WT doctrine) and therefore were not looking for him.

  WT has implemented revisionist's history to hide the fact that the entire foundation of "god's organization" is hopelessly flawed and proves without doubt WT is not, could not, and has never been, "god's organization".

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  *** ka chap. 11 pp. 187-188 par. 7 "Here Is the Bridegroom!" ***

  7 From that understanding of matters, the "chaste virgin" class began going forth to meet the heavenly Bridegroom in the year 1874, as they believed him to have arrived in that year and to be from then on invisibly present. They felt that they were already living in the invisible presence of the Bridegroom. Due to this fact, when Charles T. Russell began publishing his own religious magazine in July of 1879, he published it under the title "Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence." He had already become familiar with Wilson’s The Emphatic Diaglott, which translated the Greek word pa·rou·si

  ′ a as "presence," not "coming," in Matthew 24:3 and elsewhere. The new magazine was heralding Christ’s invisible presence as having begun in 1874. This presence was to continue until the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, when the Gentile nations would be destroyed and the remnant of the "chaste virgin" class would be glorified with their bridegroom in heaven by death and resurrection to life in the spirit. Thus the class pictured by the five wise virgins would enter through the door into the wedding.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Hey emeth- you still haven't answered my question: as a worshipper of the governing body, how do you justify being here on this "apostate" website???

  Don't you really believe the GB represents Jehovah™ ? If you do, then why are you defying Jehovah™ by ignoring the counsel from his 'faithful slave'? The GB says to not visit apostate websites, yet here you are hypocritically defending WT on a site they've ordered you not to be on.

  If you don't believe the GB speak for god, and that's why you do your own thing, then why are you defending WT? If it doesn't speak for Jehovah™ then you are defending just another sham religion.

  Your hypocrisy nullifies anything you post here. Typical JW: claim you believe the GB represents god and that's why you must follow them with unquestioning obedience, but you defy the GB when it personally benefits you and ignore their orders when they don't agree with your personal opinions. Hypocrite!!
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  considering that most of the KHs that might be "needed" are in poor countries where they can be built dirt cheap, and an average cost per assembly hall of $8 million (this is the figure I hear more than any other as what an Ass Hall "costs"), WT could simply pay for all of its KH and AH "needs" out of the $1.2 BILLION dollars it just made from the sale of its Brooklyn real estate, and still have a big chunk of it left over after all the building is complete.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  "The need for Kingdom Halls and Assembly Halls is greater than ever before," the letter insists. "At this time, over 13,000 Kingdom Hall projects and 35 Assembly Hall projects are needed worldwide."

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  last year, if I remember correctly, there were 250,000 baptized. We know that at least half that number are children/relatives of JWs who were already attending meetings, so they are included in the avg. publisher figure and were attending existing KHs. But, let's just take the 250,000 baptized number:

  250,000 divided by 113,823 congregations = 2.19 new publishers per congregation. Why does WT need 13,000 new Kingdom Halls????? But remember, aprox. 50% of baptisms are people that have already been publishing and attending meetings prior to baptism, so 250,000 is not additional people added to the ranks of JWs, and therefore, do not need KH's to accomodate them.

  Even if there were 250,000 new baptisms, there still is no justification for 13,000 kingdom halls.

  250,000 divided by an average of 120 publishers per congregation = 2,083 kingdom halls. But remember, more than one cong. can share a KH, so 2,083 can easily be lowered to 1,041 KHs each accomodating two congregations, or 694 KHs if three congregations share a KH (not an unreasonable expectation). Especially when the worldwide economy is so bad right now, why doesn't WT do what it tells all JWs to do: simplify, learn to live with less, make do with what you have.....Armageddon is just around the corner, remember????

  We also know that historically as many exit WT as come in, so the numbers are really a wash (I firmly believe WT is fudging the numbers to hide the ugly truth of the real state of the Org.)

  WT's numbers are the product from the south end of a northbound moose, plain and simple.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  A fine testimony, Emeth. And, you've just proven many hypotheses correct. You've settled once and for all the extent of the JW "stupider" factor.

  Incidentally, as a loyal JW and worshipper of the GB, how do you justify being on an apostate website??

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  I understand BOE letters but what does that abbreviation actually stand for?

  Body Of Elders.

  [edit] you got there right before me, cofty.