Peloyan's advice to me personally was to just forget about the “Creation” book's problems and just focus on what the Society does right.
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If only a JW being judged by a Judicial Committee could successfully use the same argument.....
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Misquote in the Creation Book
by ILoveTTATT inmy dad came into the jw's because someone studied the "creation" book with him.
it pains me deeply that he sent me an e-mail recently saying that to keep the peace with my mom, he will stop communicating with me as much as possible.
i should communicate with him only if i have an emergency.. it upsets me to no end, but i cannot do anything or much about it.
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Misquote in the Creation Book
by ILoveTTATT inmy dad came into the jw's because someone studied the "creation" book with him.
it pains me deeply that he sent me an e-mail recently saying that to keep the peace with my mom, he will stop communicating with me as much as possible.
i should communicate with him only if i have an emergency.. it upsets me to no end, but i cannot do anything or much about it.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
Thanks, BB:
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Some real gems revealing WT methodology:
"Peloyan's overall attitude about using quotes in a way the original author would disagree with was that it did not matter. As long as the words were quoted properly, the author's intent was irrelevant"
"He immediately became defensive and, in effect, accused me of being critical because I was probably an evolutionist and therefore couldn't agree with anything the book said because of my prior prejudice." Followed by....
"The reply from the Society stated that they didn't see anything wrong with the quote, and besides, even if there were, it didn't matter anyway because the main point was that evolution isn't true."
"During this conversation Peloyan got a bit defensive about the Society's having said so much in the past about how near "the end" was. He said that for several reasons it is today so much clearer why "the end" could not have come earlier, but that it's now “very” near. He said that the recent advances in various technologies such as computers would allow society to be quickly rebuilt after Armageddon, and that even ten years ago this would not have been the case. I thought to myself how completely out of touch with reality the man is."
(I'm glad to know that Jehovah™ has delayed Armageddon simply because he needs human technology to be advanced enough for his own use in order to accomplish his will. Really? )
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Sign of the Time of the End ---> Armagaddon
by Waiting4TheKingdom infive events to come and to watch for:.
1 world leaders say peace and security!
- they "say" this but may not fully "achieve" this.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
Heaven....Armageddon DID just happen. Invisibly. Don't you believe??
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Prescott Arizona
by ducatijoe ini was an elder in prescott for many years... anyone now out from there?
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AndDontCallMeShirley
Anybody know any ex-elders in AZ who ride a Ducati?
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No. But according to Mike and Kim's video, we all know an elder who illegally sold himself the congregation's property at a fire sale price and committed fraud to do it. If he flips the property for a big profit, I'm sure he'll buy a Ducati.
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Prescott Arizona
by ducatijoe ini was an elder in prescott for many years... anyone now out from there?
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@ Lois: If you feel up to it, and you would like to, tell us a little bit about yourself. Only what you feel comfortable with, though.
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He was an "Elder in Prescott". What more do you need to know?
Stop your prying already, Lois ! Sheesh.
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Prescott Arizona
by ducatijoe ini was an elder in prescott for many years... anyone now out from there?
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AndDontCallMeShirley
"Surely" you can't be serious? LOL.
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Congregation rebels!
by A.proclaimer inmy congregation got a reminder today to start donating money.
elder said that after the letter on the new donation arrangement was read, the contributions for that fund went from the average (i believe it was $500 or so) to $0.
after that reminder, cash was put into those boxes.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
they are a business masquerading as a charity
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WT is a business masquerading as a religion but is really a cult.
I don't think anyone mistakenly takes the WT for a charity by even the most liberal stretch of the imagination.
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Why has the watchtower never written a commentary on the Greek scriptures?
by kneehighmiah inthey have writes hundreds of other repetitive books, but no bible commentary.
is it because an actually commentary would destroy their doctrine and prevent them from being able to cherry pick scriptures?.
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I'm pretty sure Ray Franz wrote in one his books that Ed Dunlap had written the Commentary on James.
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Yes, this was detailed in Crisis of Conscience. I mentioned this early in the discussion but apparently it was overlooked....twice.
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Help with some questions on "new light"
by adjusted knowledge infor a future conversation i will have with my mother i need some questions answered.
otherwise i will have to search and read through jw literature and i rather not :0. what was the teaching of 1919 during 1980's and 1990's (this is when i was active and my mother became a witness)?.
what is the current teaching of 1919?.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
What evidence or proof does the governing body used that they are chosen from God?
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No evidence exists. It is based solely on their say so. Conveniently, everything involving the alleged events of 1919 happened "invisibly".
My suggestion: why not ask your mother what one thing would cause her to doubt her beliefs or her religion is the true one? Whatever the answer is, that's what you discuss. Everyone has their "hot button", and trying to guess what that is by randomly choosing issues to dismantle may be a complete waste of effort and further entrench her into defending WT.
[edit] Ding, you got there right before me. Great minds....
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Congregation rebels!
by A.proclaimer inmy congregation got a reminder today to start donating money.
elder said that after the letter on the new donation arrangement was read, the contributions for that fund went from the average (i believe it was $500 or so) to $0.
after that reminder, cash was put into those boxes.
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AndDontCallMeShirley
You think God tried to tithe the dinosaurs to pay for a "Worldwide Jungle Improvement Fund"? Of course, under the guise of a final Theocratic push in the "momentous" last days of the Jurassic Period....