Posts by AndDontCallMeShirley

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

The entire religion is based on speculation.

"Modesty* on the part of the faithful and discreet slave class, commissioned to provide the Christian household with food at the proper time, prevents it from presumptuously running ahead and wildly speculating about things that are still unclear. The slave class strives to avoid being dogmatic. It is not too proud to admit that as of now it cannot answer every question, keeping Proverbs 14:18 clearly in mind. But how thrilling to know that Jehovah, in his own due time and in his own way, will continue to reveal his secrets as to his purposes! Never should we become impatient with Jehovah's arrangement, indiscreetly trying to rush ahead of the Revealer of secrets. How reassuring it is to know that the channel Jehovah is using today does not do so! It is both faithful and discreet." --Watchtower 6/1/97 p.14, par.7

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* if WT is bragging about its modesty, is it really modest??

Isn't that a bit like faking sincerity??

Of course, you are 100% correct Vanderhoven, but WT fails to see its speculating forest for its false date trees.

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The Watchtower explains the sheep and the goats

by runForever in

the march 2015 study watchtower finally solves the mystery of the sheep and the goats:.

" first, note that jesus is teaching bymeans of an illustration.

obviously, he isnot talking about separating literal sheepfrom literal goats.".

AndDontCallMeShirley

Now, if WT would only honestly apply the same logic to another favorite scripture of theirs:

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"Obviously, he is not talking about a literal faithful and discreet slave..."

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

1874 and 1975 are a fiction and a fantasy based on guesses and conjecture.

Or a lawn dart to the head.

The result is the same.

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

Also WT, in a roundabout way, blamed god for their miscalculation Re: 1975; the very same error CT Russell made when he promoted the 1874 date. Funny how god's "sole channel of communication on earth", his "faithful and discreet slave", keeps getting vital information horribly wrong, despite the claim that Jehovah is guiding their every move:

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"Later on, during the years from 1935 through 1944, a review of the overall framework of Bible chronology revealed that a poor translation of Acts 13:19,　20 in the King JamesVersion, along with certain other factors, had thrown off the chronology by over a century. This later led to the idea—sometimes stated as a possibility, sometimes more firmly—that since the seventh millennium of human history would begin in 1975, events associated with the beginning of Christ’s Millennial Reign might start to take place then." --Proclaimers, ch.28, pp. 632-633

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What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

by Zoos in

we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

"The Scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 A.D.
--the book, PROPHECY p.65 (1929)

"The date of the close of that 'battle' is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874."
--Watchtower 1/15/1892, p.1355

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"In the year 1943 the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society published the book "The Truth Shall Make You Free." In its chapter 11, entitled "The Count of the Time," it did away with the insertion of 100 years into the period of the Judges and went according to the oldest and most authentic reading of Acts 13:20, and accepted the spell-out numbers of the Hebrew Scriptures. This moved forward the end of six thousand years of man's existence into the decade of the 1970's. Naturally this did away with the year 1874 C.E. as the date of return of the Lord Jesus Christ and the beginning of his invisible presence or parousia."
--God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years p.209, para.55 (Frederick Franz) (1973)

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And, some pyramidology thrown in for good measure:

"...this measurement is 3416 inches, symbolizing 3416 years.... This calculation shows A.D. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble...." (Russell, Studies in the Scriptures: Thy Kingdom Come, Series III, p. 342, 1897 edition [1916 edition changed to read: "We find it to be 3457 inches, symbolizing 3457 years.... Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914 will be the beginning of the time of trouble...."] note: the measurement was the length of an interior passageway discovered inside the Pyramids. It has no reference in Scripture.)

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But please keep this important point in mind with these flip-flops and doctrinal changes:

"At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view. But this has not actually been the case." —The Watchtower, December 1, 1981, p. 27

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Top 10 Signs that Jehovah's Witnesses Want to Disfellowship You:

by OnTheWayOut in

i've posted these years ago and was reminiscing, so i thought i would share the laugh with you again.. top 10 signs that jehovah's witnesses want to disfellowship you:.

10. there's two guys in suits staying all night outside your home in a four-door sedan.. 9. an elder you spoke to on the phone calls and asks you to repeat what you said the other day, but asks you to speak slowly and clearly.. 8. suddenly, jw friends stop by and ask an awful lot of the same questions.. 7. your laptop computer was moved, left on, or is missing.. 6. you left your car unlocked, it was thoroughly searched by someone but absolutely nothing is missing including your gps which was searched too.. 5. your boss asks if you are in trouble with the law or someone, stating some really polite men were asking about you and left some "tracts.".

4. someone picked up the cigarette butts around your back porch.. 3. the bartender at your favorite nightspot asks if you have ever before seen the guys in the corner booth that have been ordering "cokes" all evening and pulling out a camera everytime you order a beer.. 2. you receive registered mail and you already served on a jury this year.. 1. your jw mother who finally had accepted that you will never go back starts begging you to either go back to the kingdom hall or move with no forwarding address.. .

AndDontCallMeShirley

10. There's two guys in suits staying all night outside your home in a four-door sedan.

And you hope against hope it's only Mafia hitmen and not two Elders.

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Self created Fluff about Nothing!

by stuckinarut2 in

this weeks wt study is so full of fluff about nothing!

(december 14th).

oh it sounds so "deep and intense" but really, come on...'legal covenants' and the like?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

WT are professional Fluffers... everyone knows this.

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Self created Fluff about Nothing!

by stuckinarut2 in

this weeks wt study is so full of fluff about nothing!

(december 14th).

oh it sounds so "deep and intense" but really, come on...'legal covenants' and the like?.

AndDontCallMeShirley

This weeks WT study is so full of Fluff about nothing!

So, pretty much like every WT since 1879, right?

come on...'legal covenants' and the like?

WT has recently done away with types and anti-types. The absurdity vacuum was quickly filled.

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After all, JWs were RIGHT!

by abiather in

1) science and technology appeared as a savior to mankind, yet the overall result points to the opposite direction.. http://aeon.co/magazine/science/why-has-human-progress-ground-to-a-halt/.

2) john kerry warns of catastrophe if climate change is not tackled.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/article4295230.ece (times, saturday 13, 2014).

AndDontCallMeShirley

Science and technology have given you all gadgets of comfort, but in the process POLLUTED AIR & WATER

Huh. So WT castigates science for polluting the earth with technology and gadgets... while WT simultaneously encourages JWs to buy iPads, use JW.Org and proceeds with a massive worldwide (unnecessary) building campaign?

Isn't this a little bit like hypocritically protesting against Big Oil... but driving to the protest rally in your SUV powered by an internal combustion engine?

You and WT can posture all you want, abiathar... I ain't buyin' it.

This vindicates the core-teaching of JW that God’s Kingdom is the ONLY remedy which they have been CONSISTENTLY proclaiming from their very inception!

You mean the same kingdom WT said was going to destroy this entire world "wholesale" in the year 1914? Then in 1915? Then 1925? Then 1975? All within the generation that was 15 years-old in 1914? Then 10 years-old? Then born in 1914? Then within the generation of an 'overlapper' of someone who may have known someone who heard of someone that might have been born in 1914?

The only thing consistent about WT core teachings is their inconsistency. And your arguments here are as untenable as the arguments WT has been blundering their way through for 133 years.

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After all, JWs were RIGHT!

by abiather in

1) science and technology appeared as a savior to mankind, yet the overall result points to the opposite direction.. http://aeon.co/magazine/science/why-has-human-progress-ground-to-a-halt/.

2) john kerry warns of catastrophe if climate change is not tackled.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/article4295230.ece (times, saturday 13, 2014).

AndDontCallMeShirley

But their core teaching remains not only UNCHALLENGED and UNCHANGEABLE

Wrong on both counts, abiathar.

WT teachings are constantly challenged and exposed as untenable ...you may have noticed it happens here everyday.

UNCHANGEABLE

This is especially lauaghable, considering WT itself has changed at least two of its most 'core' doctrines recently: re-defining the identitiy of the faithful and discreet slave (again), and concocting an overlapping generation (this is the 9th redefinition of what "generation" means).