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  Wives who complain about their husbands work schedule but refuse to get a job

  by hoser in

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  i listen to one of these all time in our hall.

  she brings it up constantly about how they would do this or that but he has to work that saturday.

  i think she should get a job and then he could find a lower paying 9 to 5 job..

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  I was not allowed to get a job because I would probably fornicate and do other unspeakable brazen acts.

  It's common knowledge that it's impossible to have a full-time job and not brazenly fornicate...
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  What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

  by Zoos in

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  we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

  i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

  i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

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  not going after those who say 'the time is at hand'.

  Which should have spelled the demise of CT Russell and WT after 1914 came and went. But, there's one born every minute...
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  Elder's School: 2015 KMS Program

  by pixel in

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  good morning.

  want to attend?.

  kingdom ministry school.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Judging With Insight

  Note that using insight while judging applies only to appeals and re-instatement...NOT to disfellowshipping itself.

  Translation: boot 'em out quickly for whatever reason, then make the coming back or appeals part painfully arduous by using "insight".

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  Be Guided by Bible Principles 25 min.

  The second shortest session of the whole program...just slightly longer than the mid-morning break.
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  Wives who complain about their husbands work schedule but refuse to get a job

  by hoser in

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  i listen to one of these all time in our hall.

  she brings it up constantly about how they would do this or that but he has to work that saturday.

  i think she should get a job and then he could find a lower paying 9 to 5 job..

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  What's even worse is when the family is struggling financially and the husband is working himself to death trying to make ends meet, and the wife still refuses to get a job because she likes Pioneering (or prefers it to having a job-the lesser of two evils).

  Oh, and she's usually the one driving the new vehicle, too.
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  Using New JW.ORG Merchandise to Share the Good News, t-shirts and painted JW.org toe nails!

  by SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker in

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  there are approved methods of preaching the good news about jw.org in style!.

  caleb and his single mammy, tired of your child losing notes to his teacher, pin that note with a friendly, lively jw.org caleb and mommy button for a small fee!

  https://www.pinterest.com/pin/356206651751072594/ with our rich hertigage of mixing organization with the skills of a saleman you knew this was bound to happen.. .

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  I don't see them counseling against it, either, which would be the expected response.

  All while WT simultaneously shuts down Youtube videos and websites for "copyright infringement" when they post WT quotes and videos without WT consent.

  As Vidiot said, WT's silence Re: merchandising, speaks volumes. If WT had a problem with it, they'd go after JW merchandizers with the same enthusiasm they use against Youtubers.
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  What were the calculations used to arrive at the 1874 date of Christ's return?

  by Zoos in

  1. watchtower
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  we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?

  i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.

  i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .

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  The only way you could disprove him is if he made a prediction, or his work made an implicit prediction, which did not come true.

  And this is the precise point that destroys any self-proclaimed prophet everytime.

  Only in retrospect do alleged Bible "prophecies" get fulfilled. This is the way WT and similar non-prophet religions work: they look at world events, then make them fit (no matter how tortured the method) this-or-that prophecy, then declare themselves so insightful because they saw it coming the whole time.

  The ones who do predict specific dates (Harold Camping, et al) end up with egg on their face, but at least they had the courage to be specific (though foolish). WT tried it with 1914, 1925 and 1975 and failed miserably, although they worked within a year timeframe rather than a day, date and year.

  If WT was a true spokeman for god (a prophet) as they claim, they'd put specific dates and events out there and they'd come true everytime.

  If I had lived back in Russell's time, I don't know if I would have been frightened by his craziness or impressed by his Bible interpretations, but things are much clearer now.

  Mt. 24:36 should settle that issue ahead of time.
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  About the ten plagues in Egypt

  by runForever in

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  alot of people are saying god is cruel for killing the firstborns and animals and people in the ten plagues.

  but didn't god achieve his goal of making nations and people be in fear of him?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  Except there's no record of any it outside the Bible.

  So there you go.
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  Origin of Black Skin - JW.org Noah Movie

  by Bloody Hotdogs! in

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  i've never seen this discussed here, so thought i'd bring it up:.

  as far as i can figure, jehovah's witnesses no longer teach that black skin is the result of a curse from god.

  instead, they seem to teach that canaan was already dark skinned when his father, ham, brought the curse of servitude upon their family.

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  Ham, is pictured as a black man

  Let me guess...he lived in the Black Forest? Thus making him a Black Forest Ham?

  if I were Noah, and Mrs. Noah had a son with that coloration, I might be a wee bit suspicious....

  The mailman was Black, but Noah never put 2+2 together on that one...
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  The best way to debate JW's without being labeled an apostate

  by cookiemaster in

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  hey guys!

  here's what i found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate jw's without earning the laber of apostate.

  this is mostly valid when debating jw's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  The sad reality is (and I've experienced this personally more than once) that if you mention Jesus too much or talk about the Bible without the context of WT, a JW will directly or indirectly call you an apostate.

  here's why:

  w86 4/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers, Questions From Readers

  "Why have Jehovah’s Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ? ... Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?"

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  What do such beliefs include? = things that are not in the Bible.

  BTW- JWs don't debate. They talk, you listen. If you have something to tell them the discussion usually ends immediately as they mutter under their breath that you are a 'goat'.
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  About the ten plagues in Egypt

  by runForever in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  alot of people are saying god is cruel for killing the firstborns and animals and people in the ten plagues.

  but didn't god achieve his goal of making nations and people be in fear of him?.

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  AndDontCallMeShirley

  First, I don't care what the biblical scholars believe or not. The best evidence was done in James Cameron's documentary entitled, Exodus Decoded, with Simcha Jacobovici.

  I don't believe James Cameron's documentary because of Mel Brooks' "Holy Moses" and Monty Python's "Life of Brian" movies.

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  From, The Atheist's Book of Bible Stories:

  "The Camp of Israel As I mentioned earlier, approximately 600,000 Israelite warriors left Egypt during the exodus. If we assume one warrior for every three persons, that brings the population of the exodus to at least 1.8 million. For round figures, let’s assume there were two million of them. Some persons have estimated this ratio considerably higher, but as always, I give the Bible the benefit of the doubt.

  This group lived in a temporary camp that wandered throughout the wilderness for forty years. Needless to say, a population, or should I say poopulation (a pun you will understand later) of two million, living in tents, creates tremendous logistical difficulties.

  Let’s focus in on the logistical difficulties encountered in just one of the necessities of human life.

  Now, let’s calculate. If each person relieved himself only twice a day (an obviously low estimate), and each deposit used one square foot of land surface (also a pretty low estimate), that means that every day, the Israelites turned 93 acres of land into a sewage lagoon. If they stayed in the same spot for a month, around 4 ½ square miles would be consumed – a veritable poop farm. During their 40 years in the wilderness, 2,160 square miles would have been used (that’s 1,357,800 acres). No wonder it was wilderness.

  When you consider that there were two million people living in tents, and every one of them had to leave the camp to go to the bathroom – a bathroom that moved farther away every day, they must have spent half their life walking.

  If we assume that the camp had a population density equal to modern Hong Kong (which is totally ridiculous, but we’ll give the Bible the benefit of the doubt, again), it would have occupied at least 44 square miles. That means that if you lived in the center of the camp, you would need to walk 3.7 miles, each way, every time you went to the bathroom. You would need to plan your bathroom breaks hours in advance. And, by the time you returned, you would need to go again. You’d think that God could have come up with a better system.

  The camp of Israel was approximately the same population as the greater Vancouver or Cincinatti area. Just imagine yourself living in one of those two cities. Now, imagine that every time you had to go to the bathroom, you had to walk outside the metropolitan area, find an unused spot, dig a hole with a stick, do your business, cover it up, and then walk home. This is the best system that the Almighty of the Universe could think of.

  Not only that, if we assume that each of these persons spent only two minutes digging their hole and doing their business, that means that at any one time, there would be an average of 5,500 persons simultaneously squatting on their holes. It must have looked like a pooping convention.

  The total population of Egypt prior to the exodus was actually less than the number of Israelites who left it. That doesn’t make any sense.

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  In other words, there weren’t nearly as many Israelites in the camp as the Bible claims. In fact, a more reasonable estimate for the number is around 7,000, not two million. That is, assuming that the exodus even happened. Once again, the Bible exaggerates, this time overstating the number by at least 300 times. And, don’t forget that I have given the Bible the benefit of every doubt by underestimating the ratio of warriors to population, ignoring the presence of their animals, assuming impossibly high population densities, and attributing almost legendary bladder capacity to the Hebrews.