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  It's 2015 already

  by Doltologist in

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  it's 2015. isn't it about time man stopped believing in all of this illogical and superstitious nonsense i.e.

  belief in god?.

  isn't it time we grew up?.

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  Bonsai

  It's time for humans to come to grips with the fact that our beloved sky daddy isn't gonna clean our shyte up or dig us out of our man-made hole anytime soon. We gotta band together, grab our shovels, gird our loins and get to doin' it ourselves!
  
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  What's the Worst Gossip You Heard About Why You were DF'ed, Faded or Left and Never Came Back? They say "I am gay!"

  by PhilsWager2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your going to enjoy the latest rumor i heard why i have not been to meeting for around nine months, i am a homosexual!

  i was caught having a drink at one of the gay bars for business, yes people still talk business in bars.

  revelation 17:4).and murderers, and fornicators (cf.

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  Rumor has it I'm having a mid-life crisis, which is the reason for my apostafication. I can't deny that it isn't true. Nothing prepared me to grow up and grow old in this system of things.
  
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  A Whole New Watchtower Society (Governing Body 3.0 / Simplified Society)

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a whole new watchtower society (governing body 3.0 / simplified society).

  i'm not here to attack the governing body, watchtower society, or the jehovah's witnesses (jw) organization.

  the bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).

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  I like a lot of your suggestions. Up until recently, I wished for a lot of the same changes as well. But I have come to realize that history repeats itself over and over and over again in regards to religion. A new movement or awakening often starts out with good intentions. Someone honestly tries to improve something off of the original belief system. But no matter how many revisions, fixes and improvements are made, the leaders who made them end up getting drunk with power and abusing and overly dominating their followers. The new religion always gets wrapped up in making money, as if God needs money, what a joke.
  

  I've come to 2 conclusions:

  1. God is a figment of the imagination. Or,
  

  2. God doesn't care about us in the way that we want him to.
  

  Either way, history proves that you don't need bumbling, stumbling humans to worship God.
  
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  Does What We Say Here Or In Person Really Help JWs To Get Out Of The Religion?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  if we are in the congregation, do you think our comments or questions actually reach elders or others in the congregation?

  do our comments on this board affect witnesses to the point of questioning their faith?

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  I was also active last year. Found jwfacts.com. Came here to discuss what was never allowed to be discussed.. Now I'm armed to the teeth with knowledge of what is and what turned out not to be truth.
  
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  One month researching my doubts: my crucial issues with WTBTS - what are yours?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so after 20 years a convert, about a month ago i decided to start listening to my doubts and to do independent research about the wtbts teachings (naughty me).

  as a result i have consolidated my position on various points and these are my major issues with the wtbts teachings, i am posting these to help myself figure things out (with your assistance) and hopefully to hear from others at their stage of drawing away from the gb - newbies' especially.

  in the form of notes so hope you dont mind...child abuse.

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  Yep. Thanks for sharing your notes. Don't forget about the U.N. issue, as well as revisionist history about their idea of what 1914 meant then and now. Also, what biblical precedent is there to support their harsh reinstatement process for those who were df'd or da'd? There isn't one.
  
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  Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

  by FusionTheism in

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  2. friends

  i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.

  i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.

  also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.

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  My loved ones are still being shunned for petty offenses.

  I still had to refuse to sign medical papers giving hospitals the right to perform a blood transfusion in the event that it was needed . All while my wife was in labor. We were pressured , we were coerced, under threat of being disassociated not to sign those papers. The liason committee were watching us like a hawk .As a result, we were rejected by one hospital after another. I remember the doctor shouting at me that my wife's uterus could rupture at any moment if she didn't get immediate medical attention. Yet, due to utter brainwashing, I was prepared and willing to let them die. My wife and child could have died because of a stupid, fundamental view of "abstain from blood".

  The GB are still untouchable and inaccessible.

  There still is zero financial transparency.
  

  They still teach 1914 and 1919. Lett said there is more proof that Jesus presence has begun in1914 than say, electricity, wind or gravity. (Paraphrasing)

  The supposed changes that you list are like pealing the outer skin off of an onion and saying its no longer an onion. It still stinks like an onion, tastes like an onion, and makes your eyes water (with sadness and disappointment) like an onion.

  The GB have put a teddy bear band-aid over a gunshot wound to cover it up. Nothing has changed...
  
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  God answers prayer of paralyzed little boy

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the answer was "no".

  http://www.theonion.com/article/god-answers-prayers-of-paralyzed-little-boy-475.

  obviously it's the onion so it's satirical but it got me thinking how the religious view prayer and god.

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  I (the JW in me) used to get riled up when I'd see all these slogans and bumper stickers of "God Bless America", or "God Save the Queen". How about "God Bless the World", or "God Save the people"? But then I realized that JW's are just as guilty. They pray for God to bless this organization, or God bless them individually. How about asking God to bless all non-destructive organizations and help them to find truth? How about praying for all charities and humanitarian efforts? God always becomes a tool for one's individual convenience.
  
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  Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

  by FusionTheism in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.

  i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.

  also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.

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  Bonsai

  SimonSays, I love it when you post. I'm glad there are people like you in the world. Sometimes I lament that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. Sometimes I wish I had a higher I.Q.. Sometimes I wish I could write more eloquently and express my thoughts more clearly. But then people like you post for all to see, and I feel so much better about myself.

  What the frick does what Catholics do or don't do have anything to do with this thread? Very few of us are Catholics. I don't care what Catholics do. I care about what our grandoise magnificent seven claim to do. I also care about them righting the wrongs because my family and loved ones are involved.
  
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  Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

  by FusionTheism in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.

  i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.

  also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.

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  Bonsai

  I feel I've been respectful to your thread. I've spent time and thought to answer your questions as best I can. I'm eagerly awaiting your feed back.
  
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  Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

  by FusionTheism in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see an attitude among some people here which is not very helpful.

  i can understand it, but still, it's not constructive or helpful.. if you condemn the society for not changing, but then you also condemn them when they do change in a positive way, what incentive or motive does that provide for the people at the society to ever want to change for the better?.

  also, what does that attitude look like to current witnesses who are having doubts?.

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  Bonsai

  To the people with this attitude: What exactly is it that you WANT the Society to do?

  If they really are the only spiritual leaders that are enjoying god's blessing and backing, if they really are the appointed faithful and discreet slave class, then I think it would behoove them to show genuine humility and honesty with their sheep. I'd like them to have a press conference to a worldwide audience admitting their mistakes and the mistakes of previous administrations. I'd like them to acknowledge the hurt they've caused. I'd like them to own up to becoming a U.N. NGO. I'd like them to admit their policies handling the sex abuse cases were lacking. I'd like them to take off their pinky rings, roll off their rolexes, stop living in their ivory towers, stop building plush, posh multi-million dollar headquarters. Oh, and I'd like them to go out into the real world and get a job!

  Jesus was a carpenter. Paul was a tent maker. Peter was a fisherman. Luke was a physician. What work do the GB do to sustain themselves? I know, they go on broadcasts asking for your hard earned money and for your kid's ice cream money. SMH

  I'd like an open press conference once a month where they publicly answer people's questions and give people access to why they changed a certain policy or came to a certain conclusion in regards to a new doctrine or light. I'd like financial transparency and over all accountability for...everything.

  If they do those things, then quite possibly I will once again feel proud to be a part of this organization.