Posts by Bonsai

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Do you still believe in the concept of absolute truth?

by JW_Rogue in

jws very much believe that there is an absolute truth and of course, they are the only ones who have it lol.

how about now though do you still believe that absolute truths exist?

or is everything subjective?

Bonsai

I dont need absolute truth. I think it's very rare to find absolute truth about anything. That being said, we can easily find what is generally true if we put forth the effort. I need overwhelming evidence and I base my beliefs off that. Those who want absolute truth usually end up being absolutely brainwashed into an absolutist cult. You should take the large body of data at your disposal and make a rational decision without sentiment or emotion.

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I've been found out!

by pale.emperor in

well, thats it folks.. my identity on here has been rumbled and reported to the elders.

someone, somehow, has figured out that im a member of this site and - rather than speak to me - has promptly reported me to the elders.

i just feel sad for my daughter.

Bonsai

We are pale emperors! This is Sparta!

I'm actually kind of jealous. Being outed can be like finally giving in and throwing up when you need to. After you get it out of your system you feel a whole helluvah lot better. I kinda secretly wish those MF GB ass lickers will come to my house and serve me my summons. Then I can continue the fine tradition of putting my JC on Youtube!

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

Bonsai

Ariana Grande could just be the goddess that unites all theists and atheists! Lohan and Kardashian just don't quite have that divine spark in my humble opinion.

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slimboyfat joins the Mormons!

by slimboyfat in

i know that some people on the board have experience of being mormons, so i would be interested in your feedback.

at church this afternoon it was an uncanny experience.

in the past i've read a lot about mormons, so i thought i was prepared in general for what it would be like.

Bonsai

SBF, Do it! Join them! Maybe you can find a hot girlfriend at the church! Desperate times call for desperate measures. Other than your raging hormones, I can't think of a rational reason why an exJW zombie would seek to re-zombify himself in a similar cult. Your mind really is a cabinet of curiosities.

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Why Are You Here?

by Believer in

i'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.

as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.

as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.

Bonsai

I went from belieber to agnostic to atheistic in probably the course of one year. I find all established religions to be old, crusty, obsolete and a waste of time and intellect. I'd like to move to a country where I never have to hear a believer whine about being criticized. I'd like to move to a land where I never saw a burqa, cross, church or JWBOrg again in my life.I do find more and more of an attraction to non denominational buddhism, but buddhism on my terms, not Buddha's. If there is a god it is the earth. The angels are the flowers, butterflies and songbirds that own the sky.

I'm quickly tiring of religious debates, philosophical debates and debating for the sake of listening to one's own voice. I wanted to help newbies make the transition from a cult to a life of freedom, but I feel like many of them would be offended by my disgust for faith and religion. Perhaps my run here is winding down. It's been a good run though. I owe a lot to this forum...

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

Bonsai

I actually, come to think of it, AM a believer. I believe that our mother earth is the closest thing we have that fits the definition of god. Without her we don't exist. She is beautiful and has all the attributes of man: gentle, harsh, violent, thrilling, awe inspiring, etc. Why don't we worry more about believing in and healing our earth before we wade into whether or not there is an intelligent being above us in the universe? I think any god worth a darn can respect the atheist/theist who treats this planet (and the things on it) with dignity and respect.

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Tried One Last Time In The Kingdom Hall...

by pale.emperor in

so last thursday was meeting day.

my wife knows my thoughts on this religion and respects my fade and is completely ok with it (which surprised me, and also made me love her even more).

i think she must know it's all crack-pot stuff but seeing as her whole family are all in and about 98% of them cant even explain their beleifs without a watchtower on hand i think she's just going along for the friends/family/social side of it.

Bonsai

I had a similar experience to yours when I went to a meeting after having faded for two months. It was disturbing how weird and programmed (automated?) the people in the hall were. Their words were chosen carefully. Their laughter was fake. They wanted to have us sit towards the front and i brushed the attendant off and sat in the back. After the meeting I sat there watching these strange, alien-like people interacting with each other, bobbing their heads like doves (they all bow to each other three times a minute here in Japan) and bleeting superficial platitudes and small talk.

The bible reading that night was Deuteronomy 18-22. The irony of 18:20-22 was lost on all the sheeples who attended that night, but it was not lost on us. Never went to another meeting after that...

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Welcome y'all from JWR - any questions?

by Simon in

i just wanted to take a minute to say "hi" and welcome to the site for anyone who's come here from jwr.

i can imagine the site being shut down suddenly was shocking and unsettling for many who relied on it and sometimes you don't realize how much you do rely on something until it is gone.. hopefully you'll see some of the same familiar names appearing and be able to reconnect with people you knew via this site and continue your journey together.

i don't know what the posting policies on jwr were but know it as a moderated site so can't imagine them being hugely different to the ones here.

Bonsai

I'm curious to know if JWR was more theistic in nature for those who were on the way out,or out, but were wanting to maintain some kind of faith in god. I find (happily so) that JWD tends to be more atheistic in nature. I'm curious to see how JWR'ers will react to the fiercely skeptic, agnostic/atheistic nature of this forum. I hope we don't put you off or scare you away. I enjoy respectfully debating with theists, as well as keeping track of Watchtower's devious activities. Maybe I should have started a new thread on this topic, but there are always an avalanche of threads as it is...

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

Bonsai

Why believe in God? Those who are not satisfied with reality and mortality need to believe in god. That's fine. Death isn't pretty. Evolution won't tickle your ears or fill you with fantasies that distract you from the hard core realities of this universe. For every species that successfully evolves to continue to survive and adapt to its ever changing environment there are dozens of species that go extinct. The universe can be a real (insert colorful word here) and I get why some people need the opium of religion. Believer, May your belief in your deity bring you strength and comfort!

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

Bonsai

What does genocide accomplish if god were to destroy 99% of the human race? If perfect angels disobeyed and rebelled against god, if perfect humans rejected god (Adam and Eve), what will killing all these "imperfect" humans accomplish? Won't the cycle just repeat over and over and over with god having to commit mass genocide every few thousand years to cull the dissident ones who can't get with the program?

Without even stopping to analyze the evidence against a moral god, I find the bible to be completely illogical.