Posts by *lost*

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Who are the men that REALLY Run the WT?

by Zordino in

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with all of the manipulating of people's lives and subliminaly coercing witnesses to give their wills and other belongings to the wt upon their death or sooner.

also with all of the manipulating of younger one's in terms of coercing them into not doing anything with they're lives except "spiritual pursuits" for the sole purpose of furthering their own corporate interests, is there possibly some men behind the scenes who really call the shots and using the gb just as puppets in a huge money making scam knowing full well the the whole jw thing is a complete pile of crap?

in other words, are these "bosses" conscientiously manipulating the r & f on purpose knowing full well what they are doing to their member's in so many ways?

lost

Phizzy - good points. i agree they are not 'BELIEVERS' the are 'doing a job' that they get paid for. just like lawyers, judges, teachers, cops who get corrupted and don't actually have any moral fibre. To them it's just a job. they don't care about anything else but money, and how to get it, and get it easy. just llike the criminal underworld. It's a structure and a business.

People need to start seperating the religion from the organisation. Cos the religion is just a front, by some very clever conmen. They are worse than the church. Again, secrets, skeletons, scandals, conspiracy theories. NO SMOKE WITHOUT FIRE.

Prodigal son - good points. I am also aware of the ILLUMINATI conspiracies, although now the way the world is going people are starting to wake up and get educated about how it is all really being run and controlled. Control has become lost, they have gotten too arrogant - or too careless - or too powerful ? to care anymore. They are losing control and balance is shifting. people are starting to connect the dots.

the book I am reading now - Jehovah himself has become King- ( i KNOW PEOPLE DON'T RATE IT !) but I'm lilking it so far.

anyway, it simply states it like it is. and it uses THEIR own teachings against them, in that, they are adding 2+2 and getting 5. it just does not and cannot add up. It is so clear to see through it all now. The truth is coming out.

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What is your religious belief now?

by jwfacts in

i have a new poll at jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/ as i am very interested to see what people have moved on to believe.

as this is considered sensitive by some, you can answer anonymously at the jwfacts.mobi/pollsarchive/, or answer on this thread.

this is what i have created in the list, but feel free to add comments, corrections, or options i have missed.. .

lost

i also do believe there is truth to the concept of a divine being, and Jesus. Now I am freed from the bondage of this 'church/religion' i can know actually focus more on thinking and reasoning. as long as we live a good life, and are good to others, that is the basis we will (if we are ) be judged accordingly. just as jesus tells us. It's simple.

We have freedom of shoice. we dictate what our path will be and we are governed by the chioces we make as individuals. We are pawns in a very intricate game of life, pawns in a game played by very powerful people, it all boils down to power. knowledge is power, and the balance of power shifts. The 'truth' will out eventually, now it is coming out also about wtbts too.

it is made more disgusting by the fact, they are worse, and should be judged hardest of all...... BECAUSE THEY KNOW BETTER. but chose to be corrupted and assist with the corruption. co-conspirators. If there is a God, if there is a Jesus, and if any of it is true, then their time is coming and all will be relieved.

Now i can relax and not be in a constate state of worry .... cos 'IT'S' imminent.

we are free now, we can relax a while, take things easy, take things slow. Enjoy living. Appreciate what this world has to offer us. Live normal happy lives as best as we possibly can due to our own personal situations.

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Who are the men that REALLY Run the WT?

by Zordino in

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friends

with all of the manipulating of people's lives and subliminaly coercing witnesses to give their wills and other belongings to the wt upon their death or sooner.

also with all of the manipulating of younger one's in terms of coercing them into not doing anything with they're lives except "spiritual pursuits" for the sole purpose of furthering their own corporate interests, is there possibly some men behind the scenes who really call the shots and using the gb just as puppets in a huge money making scam knowing full well the the whole jw thing is a complete pile of crap?

in other words, are these "bosses" conscientiously manipulating the r & f on purpose knowing full well what they are doing to their member's in so many ways?

lost

I agree totally. If you compare it to all of the other corporate models around the world, big business, politics, organised crime. The truth is coming out now about the banks and the financial collapse.

There really needs to be some kind of factual investigative piece from a reliable source. Even if it just showed they have 4 diff corporations ? why?

How many things are they involved in behind the scenes. Of course this whole religioon thing is a 'front' the GB are puppets. mouthpieces, acting the part. The real power and the men who are runniing the empire are behind the scenes, living a very rich life indeed.

There doesn't need to be hard evidence, just planting unanswered questions so people start taking notice, and realise what is really going on here.

how much money ? where does it go? there is always a trail.

I hope this thing blows big time and they get exposed.

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Quick Question regarding faithful slave and apostle

by sosoconfused in

since we have a new understanding of the faithful and discreet slave not appearing until 1919, and in turn no one giving the proper food at the proper time... does this wipe out the validity of the gospel accounts and all the rest of the greek scriptures?.

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i know i am missing out on something here, but is this the line of reasoning that one can gather from this latest announcement?.

lost

sosoconfused

i get confused now about everything too. i had no idea all of these things here happening. just found out 'TTATT'

i just got a new book to read (only just started) jehovahs kingdom is here. could be total crap, lol .. but he does appear so far to give indepth explanations abot these things, and points out the lies taught... so far so good. he does however appear to come acroaa more for than against wt. so i will see what happens. as long as its an easy read, no stress, i'll stick with it.

regards

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BOOK: Jehovah himself has become king - Robert king

by *lost* in

i just got my first book ... to start with.

the next one will be ray franz, crisis of conscience.. so if there any believers or semi-believers that would like to chat about it i would appreciate your comments.. also it may help any visitors to this site, who may be questioning things.. .

lost.

lost

thanks everyone, all comments are valid and i appreciate your time.

this was the first book i ordered, about two weeks ago, just delivered. I may regret it, but I will give it a try and see. I just need something basic now to get through quick and easy. like milk, lol .. not ready for meat yet. But at least i am making an effort i guess.

i did notice from the outset, it is very jw orientated.

However, it does seem to do a lot of explaining about the jw religious beliefs and the how and why of those beliefs. it does so far question the validity of 1914 etc and highlights other issues. So at the very least it will give me an uptodate modern understanding of the org.

COC - can't get it yet

many thanks

lost

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BOOK: Jehovah himself has become king - Robert king

by *lost* in

i just got my first book ... to start with.

the next one will be ray franz, crisis of conscience.. so if there any believers or semi-believers that would like to chat about it i would appreciate your comments.. also it may help any visitors to this site, who may be questioning things.. .

lost.

lost

Haven't started yet. Just read the foreword on it. and the back page. i am excited (don't care if that sounds sad! ....lol ..... life is pretty sad at the moment anyhow, I'll have abit of fantasy, escape from the reallity.) I have always loved books..... but only a few ever really stand out, they are the best ones.

Does anyone think I should post ittle bits from it as I go through it, might help someone else, or jsut don't bother, or is it illegal ?

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BOOK: Jehovah himself has become king - Robert king

by *lost* in

i just got my first book ... to start with.

the next one will be ray franz, crisis of conscience.. so if there any believers or semi-believers that would like to chat about it i would appreciate your comments.. also it may help any visitors to this site, who may be questioning things.. .

lost.

lost

Hi all. I just got my first book ... to start with. The next one will be Ray Franz, crisis of conscience.

So if there any believers or semi-believers that would like to chat about it I would appreciate your comments.

Also it may help any visitors to this site, who may be questioning things.

thanks

lost

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Women: Are they Equal to Men ?

by villagegirl in

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one of the hard core doctrines of the wt society, and many other religions, is that women are to be in "subjection" to men.. in the bible, in genisis , it says the domination of women by men came after adam and eve disobeyed god.

eve was cursed by pain in childbirth and that from then on as a curse: "he shall rule over you " from then on the male was to dominate the female.. but that was not in the original plan.

this was a reversal of the plan and a curse.

lost

Can anyone help me on this thought I have had please. Then I can go aff and do the research. (so much to learn.... fascinating )

Is it possible there is both male and female spirits in the heavenly arrangement of God ?

Is it possible that we could have God his goddess, their children, angel sons and daughters ?

I would appreciate comments on both for or against the idea.

Thanks very much if you can help me. it will give me something to occupy my mind while I'm trying to go over everything and put it all back together.

lost

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Was Judas present for the passing of the emblems?

by Lore in

memorial is this tuesday.

while explaining the significance of consuming the booze and bread it is quite likely the speaker is going to make a passing remark about how jesus made sure that judas would not be present to partake.. of course he won't explain his reason for saying that.

but here is some food for thought while you're stuck sitting there listening to it:.

lost

pterist ... very good. i like it.

So from the point of crucifixtion, Satan cast out, gentile times begin ..... from that point on we see eveerything gradually changing, breaking down, advancing...etc. on a global scale. Worldwide, from generation. So maybe this generation ( new humans, from the flood ) of mankind is just that, an epoch, of time. a period. Like the dark ages. Man has stepped further and further away from perfection, the longer time goes on, less perfect, more sinful, more corrupt in his very nature. Spiritual darkness, not many true believers.

Satan gets weaker, his grip gets weaker, bit by bit he is losing his energy, good is conquering evil, gradually. Societies are improving and advancing, mankind is now a global network. many barriers have been broken down. We have become more civillised and our conditions get better not worse.

But equally, Satan's rage is still real. he is blinding the minds of the believers to deceive them, buy time and cause as much damage as he can. to 'man' the thing God loves. People do the same thing in badness.

Even demons can speak the truth. even Satan can speak the truth. if they choose to.

hope this makes some sense, lol ... i am trying to learn so much.

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"The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout, Ph.D.

by gmcotten in

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"[pshychologist] stanley milgram .

pointed out that people who disobey destructive authority suffer psychologically, too.

often a person who disobeys finds himself at odds with the social order, and may find it hard to shake the feeling that he has been faithless to someone or something to whom he pledged allegiance.

lost

This is very good. thanks