Posts by *lost*

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Is this a religion of HATE? Check out what they have printed!

by Terry in

"" (the watchtower, 6/15 1995, p. 4).

" (the watchtower, 11/15 1952, p. 703).

" (the watchtower, 10/1 1952, p. 599).

lost

Hatred/hate - a deep and emotional extreme dislike that can be directed against individuals, entities, objects or ideas. Often associated with feelings of anger and a disposition towards hostility.

The penguin dictionary of psychology defines hate as a ''deep'', enduring, intense emotion expressing animosity anger and hostility towrds a person, group or object.

Enmity.

What a mess it all is. the whole situation, the legacy of the Society, so many people and their lives in tatters. I'm trying so hard not to use offensive language. We have to understnad the depth and effect it has had on people who sacrificed their lives and everything else to this organisation. It's heartbreaking. I'm in an emotional mood today about it all anyway, being newly awakened and totally confused.

Lies, Lies, Lies. All founded and peddled on lies and mistruths and deception. It's so easy to discover this now, when you get outside the box and start learning what's really going on. That is what is really hard about it. Sucked in and duped. The worst thing for me is that it was all done in God's and Jesus' name, using the Bible to decieve and trick people.

Hopefully they will get their full reward, reap what they sow.

Thankfully we have all you guys to help us find our way out.

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Trinity, Immortality of the soul, Hell fire... Homosexuality

by irondork in

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most people here who have spent any amount of time studying the bible will agree that the bible allows for more than one interpretation of these topics.

well, the first three topics, anyways.. reading the gay marriage discussions on this board i see a common thread weaving its way through: no acknowledgement whatsoever that there is an equally valid interpretation of the bible that does not condemn homosexuality.. once in a while i will see the word trinity mentioned on this forum and no big deal is made of it (for the most part).

trinitarian and non-trinitarian teachings are accepted as variations of the christian understanding of the bible without any judgment being made regarding the genuineness of that person's christian identity or relationship with god.. mention the word homosexuality, and there is a huge difference in attitude.

lost

Irondork - it is clear to see form some of the neanderthals in the world exactly why people are treated so badly for being different. i guess they do not understand what it actually means to be a christian. They delight in causing pain, misery and suffering to others. School yard bullies grow up into pompous condescending arrogant ignorant bullies of a worse degree. think they are better than everyone else and like to throw stones.

Quite clear why people have to hide their thoughts and feelings from others. Ignorant will always be ignorant. some peopl cant see further than themselves. It is just the way it is I guess.

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1 Cor 7v23 Gal 1v10

by *lost* in

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do not become slaves of human beings.. trying to win the approval of human beings.

lost

Do not become slaves of human beings.

Trying to win the approval of human beings

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On the subject of the anointed...

by leaving_quietly in

i moved this comment from another thread to here as i felt it deserved its own thread.. one thing i've noticed is that the letters from paul often include the phrase "all the holy ones", such as at eph 1:15. some translations render this "all the saints".

it seems to be differentiating two groups.

those who are "holy ones" and those who are not.

lost

The sealing of the 144,000 - the anointed.

Is it not the case that according to revelation / daniel, the only thing holding back the day of judgement is that the 144,000 have not been sealed yet, the full number of the anointed that will reign in heaven as christs brothers.

The reason is because Satan is doing all that he can to corrupt the anointed, thereby they have to be replaced. this is buying him time to carry on with his plans and ruling the earth. He knows that the very minute the last number of the anointed is sealed, his time is up. Satan will go on the rampage and destroy as much as he can, even killing some of the anointed, faithful ones, who become martyrs, then Jesus will wage war (literally on earth we will see it ) and appear with his angels and everyone on the earth will have to KNOW it is jehovah.

regards

lost

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Trinity, Immortality of the soul, Hell fire... Homosexuality

by irondork in

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most people here who have spent any amount of time studying the bible will agree that the bible allows for more than one interpretation of these topics.

well, the first three topics, anyways.. reading the gay marriage discussions on this board i see a common thread weaving its way through: no acknowledgement whatsoever that there is an equally valid interpretation of the bible that does not condemn homosexuality.. once in a while i will see the word trinity mentioned on this forum and no big deal is made of it (for the most part).

trinitarian and non-trinitarian teachings are accepted as variations of the christian understanding of the bible without any judgment being made regarding the genuineness of that person's christian identity or relationship with god.. mention the word homosexuality, and there is a huge difference in attitude.

lost

EP are you aware that you come across as wuite hostile and offensive ? Is your thing just 'diggin' at others ?

I wrote stuff in a mutual discussion with Irondork, yes. It's called a CONVERSATION. I find you have an aggressive tone and are a bit rude.

Getting the last word in ? Well that sounds just so childish.

thanks for the laugh though.

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There are really TWO Watchtower Societies

by Terry in

with cedars release of leaked watchtower new light "adjusting" understanding of "who" the faithful and discreet slave is.....i am struck by something which similarly struck me back in 1967.in 1967 i had just been imprisoned.

being a male jehovah's witness during the viet nam war meant certain "issues" arose affecting a decision to respond to the military draft.i have told the story before.

but, i'd like go at it from another angle in view of the above mentioned new light about the fds fora different reason.it was first in 1967 i began to discover that there are two watchtower societies.let me explain why i say this and for what reasons.first of all, anybody standing in a kingdom hall or sitting in a seat at a vast international assembly saw people they would identify as all on the same page.

lost

cha ching .. lol .. welcome. very good comments. I am also newly awakened and yes, to try to explain it to anyone is, well, a bit of a no brainer, you may as well be talking about aliens, lol. you have to to be part of it to know it. and I was 'in' 'in' in a big way like I'm hearing here from other peoples stories.

I have found this place and the people and their stories and knowledge so valuable. Thank God they are all here wiling to help others.

welcome

lost

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Yes, for good reason appellation Father is dominant in the NT over Jehovah

by QC in

the purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.

" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .

this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.

lost

QC. I must confess I haven't even got started on this yet, lol, it's been a whirlwind and my poor brain has been fried, lol.

I will get started on it now. I think I am going to get buried though and need lots of help to grasp it.

many thanks

kind regards

lost

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Trinity, Immortality of the soul, Hell fire... Homosexuality

by irondork in

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most people here who have spent any amount of time studying the bible will agree that the bible allows for more than one interpretation of these topics.

well, the first three topics, anyways.. reading the gay marriage discussions on this board i see a common thread weaving its way through: no acknowledgement whatsoever that there is an equally valid interpretation of the bible that does not condemn homosexuality.. once in a while i will see the word trinity mentioned on this forum and no big deal is made of it (for the most part).

trinitarian and non-trinitarian teachings are accepted as variations of the christian understanding of the bible without any judgment being made regarding the genuineness of that person's christian identity or relationship with god.. mention the word homosexuality, and there is a huge difference in attitude.

lost

Entirely possible

I have no desire to get into a debate with you on the issue. I was engaged in a mutual and rational discussion with Irondork.

I'm not into ''bashing'' anyone. whatever their race, skin colour, nationality etc... blah blah have already said it all and not wasting precious posts on it.

What has relationship got to do with it anyway ? How do you define relationship ? Does it matter ? a sexual relationship is just that, if two peole have sex, they have a sexual relationship, doesn't need a time constraint.

it is common knowledge how men have sex, so that answers that one.

Not all christians should be tarred with the same brush. Unless you know them personally you cannot know their thoughts, views, opinions.

regards

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Trinity, Immortality of the soul, Hell fire... Homosexuality

by irondork in

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friends

most people here who have spent any amount of time studying the bible will agree that the bible allows for more than one interpretation of these topics.

well, the first three topics, anyways.. reading the gay marriage discussions on this board i see a common thread weaving its way through: no acknowledgement whatsoever that there is an equally valid interpretation of the bible that does not condemn homosexuality.. once in a while i will see the word trinity mentioned on this forum and no big deal is made of it (for the most part).

trinitarian and non-trinitarian teachings are accepted as variations of the christian understanding of the bible without any judgment being made regarding the genuineness of that person's christian identity or relationship with god.. mention the word homosexuality, and there is a huge difference in attitude.

lost

Do you think maybe you are splitting hairs a bit ?

How is it relevent what the scenario or settin is ? If it spoken against, well, it is spoken against and unfortunately there is no other way around it. To say that it is not condemned or spoken against because the word wasn't in use, or hadn't been invented, is splitting hairs. Ultimately it is the act itself that is spoken against. Men who lie with men ?

Leviticus: prohibits lying with mankind as with womankind.

18v22 - do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman;that is detestable.

20v13 - if a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

The same as sex outside of marriage - fornication - is spoken against.

I understand how difficult it must be for you. The conflict.

We cannot pick and choose and twist the word of God and his commands to suit our own basic human needs. We are instructed - works of the flesh- what to abstain from. whether we do or not is entirely up to us as individuals, and it affects our personal relationship with God. We become sinful. I can see no way around it.

reagrds

lost

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James 2:26 - "faith without works is dead"

by leaving_quietly in

i was contemplating this verse this morning... what did james mean by "works"?

and it hit me like a bolt of lightning.. now, wts would have us believe these "works" are preaching and meetings.

however, could that be what james was referring to?

lost

The Opposite of works of the flesh. The Fruitage of the Spirit (9) which can only be got with the assistance of Holy Spirit.

Holy Spirit - God's '' free gift '' which he gladly gives to those who sincerely seek and request it.

Love - can only be known from the actions it prompts. Different formats - Agape, Philia, Storge, Eros.
Joy - state of happiness. True joy is a quality of the heart and can affect the whole body
Peace - The state of being free from war or disturbance. It can convey the idea of health, safety, soundness, welfare, friendship and entirety or completeness.
Long suffering - deliberate restraint. Patient endurance. Refusal to give up hope. tolerating. Slow to anger.
Kindness - the quality or state of taking an active interest in the welfare of others
Goodness - moral excellence, virtue. Solid through and through with no badness or rottenness. Involves mercy, loving kindness and truth.
Faith - the thought of confidence, trust, firm persuasion. The basis for hope. Faith is tried and tested.
Mildness - gentle, mild or gracious. humility. Strength. Meek. Mild temper, deep respect, calmness. keep conduct fine.
Self control - Control over oneself. Actions, speech, thoughts. Keeping in check, restraining oneself.

Each subject in itself is a study to unlock the real meaning of eaach word. Applying it every day in ones life shows the qualities of a true Christian. The greatest command is Love, if you have love, all things will follow.