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  Holacaust Denier Gets 3 Years In Prison In Austria!

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  can you believe that "historians" are trying to deny that such an event ever occured??

  this guy was getting 300 letters a week because of his anti-jewish stand.

  makes me sick!

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  Buster

  Abaddon,

  No leaping. Check out the real ultra-right groups he's had connections with. This is fact.

  Do you think the existenece of violent racist and anti-semetic gangs infringes the rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of the people those gangs attack?

  Sorry, it is too bad you cannot see the leap you just made. In a prior post you refer the infringements of rights based on speech. But here you you refer the attacks made by extremist gangs. You can't see that? The infringement is in the attack, not in the speech.

  The speech in question boils down to 'Jews had what they got coming to them as they were trying to take over the world and they are at it again'.

  I agree that that is the detestable message he is trying to deliver. Seems like a pretty easy message to refute. Seems like he exposes himself to ridicule every time he opens his mouth. I would much rather have his message out in the open, then have the people and governments expose it for the absurdity it is. Passing laws and restricting people from expressing views is no way to refute those views. The views may get pushed underground. But if they survive long enough, they will eventaully spring up, stronger than ever. I would cite this exact episode as evidence.

  If someone deliberately incites violence but argues there was no immediate danger, is that's okay? Is that protected free speech?

  Now you venture into the grey area. Even staunch 'free speeech' countries (if there are any left) do not protect speech designed to incite immediate violence. But the judgement lies in the immediacy. As relates to this issue, I got no sense that the speaker was inciting anyone to act out against anyone. I think that should be the test.

  Freedoms do, and should come at a cost. We all have to hear speech that we disagree with. It is not a freedom if you don't have a chance to use it. And many men paid the very real price to secure those freedoms. I, for one, would rather not see our freedom tossed out like a two-day-old newspaper.

  Feel free to have the last word.
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  Genealogy/Family History

  by doinmypart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'd like to do a genealogy/family history.

  after talking to older family members where is a good place to start?

  any suggestions?.

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  Buster

  Tons-o-fun, makes for some interesting vacation trips.

  Start with the basics. Interview family membetrs to get a sense of direction. Record specifics, they are likley to come in handy.

  You will likely be surprised at the amount of information available in the old country, whichever old country that may be. You may be able to locate some historical and/or geneological societies in the areas you are researching.

  You'll also get some pratical help from books. I have a couple. I think they are titled something like, 'Tracing Your Irish Roots,' and the like. Such books will specifically point you to societies whose sole purpose is to help you with your research.

  The trick is to connect to a family line that such a society has already established. Curiously enough, the toughest ancestor to establish for me was my grandfather. I had no difficulty with guys born 300 yearsw ago. But a guy I knew personally had no record of his birth. He was born at home and before he went to school, and before the next census, his father moved the family and there was no record.

  Enjoy,

  - Cliff

  (400 years of history in New England and descended from 3 Mayflower passengers.)
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  Anybody Irish?

  by love2Bworldly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello, have not posted in quite some time.

  i put up some st. patrick's decorations at work, including one of those demonized little leprechauns, and enjoyed the look of a jw i work with when she came into the office this morning.

  you know the look of pretending they didn't notice those evil holiday decorations?

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  My grandmother (dad's mom) was soooo Irish, you know those "more Irish than the Irish" Americans.

  I think my mother was intimidated from telling me of any other heritage.

  Then one day it occurred to me, horror of horrors: I am half French. On the plus side, I figured out why I hated myself so much.
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  Holacaust Denier Gets 3 Years In Prison In Austria!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can you believe that "historians" are trying to deny that such an event ever occured??

  this guy was getting 300 letters a week because of his anti-jewish stand.

  makes me sick!

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  Buster

  So, no one supporting Irving's 'freedom of speech' has any comment about;

  • the unavoidable restriction of freedoms to those targetted by his speech? What about their freedom ladies and gentlemen?
  • the fact that there are recognised restrictions on freedoms of speech when they can result in harm?
  • why it's okay to infringe human rights to defend the West, but not to defend Jews?

  - Seems like you made a leap to the conclusion that some peoples' freedoms are restricted. As a matter of fact, they have every right, and seemingly enough incentive, to speak up and refute this moron's beliefs.

  - The test for 'restrictable speech' must be very strict. I don't think the speech in question has immediate dangerous affect on anyone.

  - I think you would find that most free speech advocates decry the limits we are building in the U.S. as well. (Nice try at deflecting, though)

  Freedom of speech is not for nice, agreeable, pleasant, middle-of-the-road, non-controversial stuff. Freedom of Speech is to protect assertive, non-compliant, abrasive, and offensive speech.
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  Can You Pass a U.S. Citizenship Test?

  by hemp lover in

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  i got 27 out of 30, so i guess i get to stay.. .

  www.toast.net/games/independence/page1.asp

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  C.O / D.O leaving the `truth`???

  by jambon1 in

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  this is probobly a long shot & i doubt it`s happened but does anyone know if any circuit overseers or district overseers have ever left.

  if so, in what circumstances?

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  Buster

  
  Skyman: The CO you are referring to is Bruce Baker. If I remember correctly, he as a City Overseer in Salem, OR. His final straw was when he couldn't personally tolerate the deceit involved in the Tacoma parking scandal.

  This is a bit of his story: http://www.pfo.org/freepark.htm

  Side note: My wife (never-a-dub) and I met Bruce, his wife and one of his daughters a few years ago. It was the first ex-dub event I ever brought her to. She spent a fair amount of time talking to Bruce. She was horrified at the stories of sending 12-yr-old abuse victims back home to pray more. She started to cry as Bruce told her of his son that refused to let him see his grandchildren because of their religious beliefs.
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  Semi-Fluff - What is your favourite Science Fiction Book?

  by Clam in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  for those of you who like science fiction - what is your favourite science fiction book, or indeed film?

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  1. Macroscope, Piers Anthony (I don't think anyone mentioned this one. But it was the most intersting SciFi I ever read.)

  2. Foundation series, I. Asimov
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  my favorite apologist theory....

  by theinfamousone in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  have you ever gotteni nto an argument with a j-dub, or basically any hardcore bible thumper???

  have you ever brought up the fact that if he were so loving, god would not allow all the suffering we see on a day to day basis, never mind what the hungry children around the world are suffering?

  have u ever noticed what their responce will invariably be?.

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  'Joe Hoba has the ability, when he so opts, to not see the future.'

  The stupidity of that statement has echoed in my head at times over the years. I first heard it after a teacher suggested that if god was so damned omniscient, he would have known that Adam would take the fruit. He would have known that Satan would rebel ... that stuff.

  Of course it is not just dubbies that spout such speciousness. Now and again, I still shake my head at it.
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  Penultimate - What is this word for?

  by AlmostAtheist in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been on mind for days now, and research hasn't shed any light on it.

  so i turn to the great minds of jwd to rescue me!

  why on earth does the word "penultimate" exist?

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  Buster

  Penultimate is the penultimate word.
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  Holacaust Denier Gets 3 Years In Prison In Austria!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can you believe that "historians" are trying to deny that such an event ever occured??

  this guy was getting 300 letters a week because of his anti-jewish stand.

  makes me sick!

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  Buster

  Min:

  I'm all for freedom of speech.....

  Okay so far. Then:

  ... it is morally wrong and punishable. Good for them!

  True, if the man realizes he is lying to the masses, then he is morally wrong. If he believes what he is saying, he is wrong. And it is obviously punishable. But, you're for freedom of speech, and in the same post, you're for incarceration of a man that tries to use it?