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For Island Woman: A Scroll With "7 Seals&q...

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hi island woman: .

this is a follow-up on the "i would like to learn" series #1 thread started by yourself, last week that i enjoyed reading so much.

thanks for writing it.

bjc2read

IW,

Are you saying that the temple described in Ezekiel is a heavenly temple? Rev. 11:19 refers to a heavenly temple and you are saying they might be the same. Thus my question.

I am saying that they are the same, however, both Ezekiel and Revelation are describing an earthly arrangement not a heavenly one, contrary to popular opinion. In fact, the entire book of Revelation is describing events that will affect the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

If you consider a well known verse in Revelation, chapter 21 verse 1, which reads: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more," I think that we both can agree that this has reference to an earthly arrangement. To put a new twist on it, this verse has reference to the arrangement existing within the organization of JWs. The heavens are the leadership (GB and such like ones), and the earth represents the rank and file JW. Verse 2 is describing, not a literal transfer of 'new Jerusalem' from heaven to earth, but is simply showing that this earthly government has the direct authorization of Jehovah to be in existence. So it is referring to the replacement of one EARTHLY governmental arrangement by another. Case in point, Isaiah 66:22 which says,

"For just as the new heavens and the new earth that I am making are standing before me, is the utterance of Jehovah, so the offspring of you people and the name of you people will keep standing."

Also Isaiah 65:17 which says,

"For here I am creating new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called tomind, neither will they come up into the heart."

In the typical sense, JWs were taught by the WTS that the expressions of a "new heavens" and "new earth" to refer to a new governmental arrangement over God's people, as well as a new "society" of people who are willing subjects of that governmental arrangement.

Here is an example of what I mean. The "Survival into a new earth" book page 106 makes this enlightening comment:

"Impossible though such a thinga had seemed from a human standpoint, powerful Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians in 539 B.C.E. The jews came under a NEW GOVERNMENT, "NEW HEAVENS", Cyrus the Great filled a prominent role in that "new heavens."...Governor Zerubbabel and High Priest Jesua also served prominently in that governmental "NEW HEAVENS," and the restored Jewish remnant made up "A NEW EARTH," a cleansed society that reestablished pure worship in the land."

This was our understanding of the matter where we were JWs. Similarly, based upon that understanding then, the "passing away of the old heavens and the old earth", could represent a powerful change in God's eyes, for His people Israel. It could represent a change in governmental leadership and willing subjects of this "new heavens" and "new earth" of God's making, in our day and time. Having this modified understanding of matters as drawn from the book of Isaiah, could radically reshape our concept of the "new heavens" and "new earth" spoken of in the book of Revelation. Finally, we can now see them as being a powerful "change" in leadership over Israel, with a repentant, repatriated people of Israel willingly submitting themselves, as the "new earth" to our new governmental arrangement, seated upon earth, as the "new heavens".

To reinforce this thought, if you carefully consider verses 14 and 15 of Revelation chapter 22, you will see what is described as a powerful EARTHLY scene, having to do with Heavenly "New Jerusalem". Verse 15 states: "Outside are the dogs and those who practice spiritism and the fornicators and the murderers and the idolators and everyone liking and carrying on a lie." But, we must ask ourselves: Outside of where? Certainly not outside of a heavenly city, in God's presence, do we find filthy "dogs" and the like, do we? This is a very powerful scriptural proof, I think. Therefore, we must admit here in this instance, these individuals are still on earth, but cast "outside" of God's Heavenly Arrangement, seated upon earth. So then, by adopting this understanding of matters, we can clearly see the offensive "dogs" are simply not able to gain entrance to this earthly city 'by its gates.' This makes more sense.

By way of comparison, Ezekiel 48:35 shows Almighty God had accepted this new earthly "temple" arrangement. It states:

"...And the name of the city from that day on will be Jehovah Himself is There."

It says, "from that day on" which shows that Jehovah has accepted this arrangement on a permanent basis. And this is clearly, an earthly arrangement spoken of in Ezekiel vision. We have many proofs for that. If we compare the contents of Revelation 21:3, it is saying almost the same identical thing.

Rev. 21:3 says in part,

"...And The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them".

So there seems to ample evidence to suggest that both temples/cities of Ezekiel and Revelation are speaking of the same EARTHLY arrangement.

bjc

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For Island Woman: A Scroll With "7 Seals&q...

by bjc2read in

hi island woman: .

this is a follow-up on the "i would like to learn" series #1 thread started by yourself, last week that i enjoyed reading so much.

thanks for writing it.

bjc2read

IW,

Excellent Question! Here is a possible scenario.

No mention is made in the scriptures of exactly when the ark of the covenant disappeared from the temple. A surmise could be made, based on Ezekiel chapters 9, 10 and 11, that it occurred in the fifth year of Zedekiah's reign. The one thing that we do know is that Nebuchadnezzer did not take it to Babylon when he razed the temple in the 11th year of Zedekiah's reign.

Ezekiel 10:4 speaks of the 'glory of Jehovah rising up from the cherubs to the threshold of the house, and the house gradually became filled with the cloud, and the courtyard itself was full of the brightness of the glory of Jehovah' as he spoke to the 'man clothed with the linen' who was to pronounce Jehovah's judgement message to Jerusalem. Afterwards, verse 18 shows that the 'glory of Jehovah' moved back over the cherubs. Chapter 11, verse 23, says: "And the glory of Jehovah went ascending from over the midst of the city and began to stand over the mountain that is to the east of the city." I would suggest that this is indicative of Jehovah's presence (represented by the ark of the covenant) being withdrawn from the city/temple and its being placed somewhere else. Perhaps a future temple arrangement.

Ezekiel 40:2 reads: "In the visions of God he brought me to the land of Israel and gradually set me down upon a very high mountain, on which there was something like the structure of the city of the south." He then begans to describe a temple structure that is being measured. Ezekiel 43:4,5 describes the return of the glory of Jehovah to this new temple this way: "And the glory of Jehovah itself came into the House by way of the gate the front of which was toward the east. And a spirit proceeded to raise me upward and bring me into the inner courtyard and look! the House had become full of the glory of Jehovah."

Interestingly, Rev. 21:10 speaks of "New Jerusalem" being situated on a "great and lofty Mountain", very similar to Ezekiel 40:2. Revelation 11:19 does show the "ark of the covenant" being seen in that particular temple arrangement. So if the temple/city of Ezekiel's vision and the one described in Revelation are the same, then we could conclude that the "ark of the covenant" is present in both temple/city arrangements.

Hope this helps.

bjc

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For Island Woman: A Scroll With "7 Seals&q...

by bjc2read in

hi island woman: .

this is a follow-up on the "i would like to learn" series #1 thread started by yourself, last week that i enjoyed reading so much.

thanks for writing it.

bjc2read

Hi Island Woman:

This is a follow-up on the "I would like to learn" Series #1 thread started by yourself, last week that I enjoyed reading so much. Thanks for writing it. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=40665&site=3

Here is my follow-up comment on the subject.

As time passes for mankind, centuries or milleniums, eventually, every sincere seeker of truth, every sincere JWs or ex-JWs must come to realize one, most important thing about God's Word the Bible, and that is this: God's Word has been shrouded in mystery for centuries, and totally misunderstood by mankind in general because it has truly never been viewed as what it should be viewed as, an Ultra "Sacred Secret" of God's making. A Religious Secret that God is clearly keeping to Himself, until the authorized person arrives on the earthly scene.

This means in short, it would be IMPOSSIBLE for mankind on their own, to correctly interpret it without divine help, divine inspiration. (This is why the WTS failed. They admit they are not "inspired". So they falter in their "teachings" and explanations of scripture. And they will continue to fail, because they too have not come to know this fact. Divine inspiration is definitely needed.) There can be no doubt after 1,000s of years of having God's inspired Word within their possession, with no one correctly understanding it, this clearly proves that It is God's Religious Secret that He himself has held tightly in His Hand for a purpose, UNTIl the designated person arrives to dispense His knowledge. A message with "7 seals" placed upon it, to insure "confidentiality" of its message. Then at the appropriate time, at last when God's message is correctly understood, only this particular designated person, will be able to take the "sealed scroll" from God's Mighty Hand, and break each "seal", or correctly explain what these 7 "seals" mean, in relation to mankind and God. For Almighty God to give this authorized person his sacred Word, since no one can wrest it out of God's mighty hand, this shows this is the person God has fully approved to do this. It would prove this desginated person then, is the only person authorized to break these "seals" and take the "sealed scroll" from God's Hand. In this context, he is shown as the 'lamb" who has "7 horns" or "7 eyes". It would prove, he is God's "Chosen One". He is God's "Servant". -- Isa. 49:1-7; Revelation 5:1-7

This is the only way we can properly understand such matters, as God's Religious Secrets that He Himself keeps held tightly in His Almighty Power, with no unauthorized person discovering its vital, yet hidden meanings for us today.

Amos 3:7 says of God:

"For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets."

In the large Print NW Translation on this verse, the footnote comment shows the expression "confidential matter" as being in latin rendered the word "secretum" or secret. This is how we should understand this information from God. It is a religious secret, that God will ONLY reveal to the above mentioned person in whome God has purposed to first understand his Glorious Word. The Mystery "Chieftain" of Ezekiel 44:1-3. Until that time in which he arrives, for all mankind to see, all mankind must wait.

So while mankind waits for understanding of God's will through the mystery "Chieftain", there are a few things that we can do. We should always note the "details" that are unexplained, knowing a plausible, reasonable, understandable "explanation" will surface and God will have provided as usual. That should be our attitude of the matter. We should know, and fully expect God to send us the designated person, the "Chieftain" of Ezekiel 44:1-3. And then, and only then, will we rightly expect God to release the tightly held sacred information, that He has up to this time, wisely kept privy only to Himself. At that time, we should expect, the sacred information of God, to be released, at God's discretion. Its release comes at the designated time foretold in scripture, "in the final part of the days" when "Israel" is in "great distress". -- See Jeremiah 23:20; 30:7-9, 24.

So God has kept it simple. God simply releases His sacred "understanding" of His purposes, by way of the "Chieftain". He grants true "understanding" of His Will to this chosen one. It is God's choice, God's Chosen One. And we should expect the Bible to speak openly about this one. And it does. His role is to explain things, as we would expect of a coming "messiah", like Jesus. (John 4:25) This one is spoken of in God's "scroll". But the holy "scroll" is held in God's Hands only. So since the "scroll" is held tight within His Grasp, as Revelation 5:1 shows, everything is proceeds according to God's discretion. And the holy "seals" on this "scroll, "seals up" the bible. This holy "scroll" has upon it, seven "seals" or seven (7) great, cataclysmic events untold to mankind that blocks "understanding" of God's Sacred Purposes. 7 unrevealed truths which work to "seal" the Bible up, until Jehovah the Almighty gets ready to reveal these things. 7 "religious secrets" of God. After all, Jehovah God is the "Great Revealer" of Secrets. -- Daniel 2:47

So since this is the case, God keeps his Religious Secrets to Himself until, until its time to reveal these powerful events as "religious secrets" or "Sacred Secrets" to the "Chieftain". God "grants understanding" to his Chosen One, the "Chieftain" as depicted in Ezekiel 44:1-3 "eating bread" in God's Holy Presence. In turn, the "Chieftain" reveals it to mankind, but to spiritual "Israel" [JWs] first. This Divine Pattern, was first established by Jesus Christ as revealed in Matthew 10:6 and Matthew 13:11.

Other verses back this up. For example, Revelation 6:2 the first "seal" is broken. We read of a mysterious "white horse" rider who receives a "crown" of favor from God, in these last days. Just based upon that "knowledge" or unique perspective of things, we must conclude that this particular "rider" himself is NOT Jesus Christ. No, he is not. Matthew 28:18, despite what the WTS and JWs continue to say, clearly shows Jesus Christ possesses "all power and authority" over heaven and earth ever since the first century. So reasonably we must conclude, there is absolutely nothing, no "crown" [stephenos] of victory that can be given to him as a reward, in these LAST DAYS. That teaching, that thought simply doesn't make sense. As we remember, Revelation shows us the future, "the things that must take place", since Jesus was granted immortal life in heaven in the first century. Jesus had by the writing of the book of Revelation, already been "declared God's Son" in the complete sense. We know this. (Romans 1:4; Rev. 4:1)

But the one shown to be the rider of the "White Horse" here at Revelation 6:2, can also be shown in scripture to be the one we call "Shiloh", who is supposed to specifically show up "in the final part of the days". that's during our day and time. So the designation of "Shiloh" too, then would not apply to Jesus Christ either, contrary to popular belief. Appropriately, "Shiloh" should be understood to be the coming mystery "Chieftain" of Ezekiel 44:1-3. -- See Genesis 49:1, 10

So then the "plan" is quite simple as Amos 3:7 shows, this is God's designated M.O. [modus operande] when we examine his past dealings. It is His pattern of operation, to use ONE MAN. One person. As previously mentioned by myself on other threads, the "Chieftain" is allowed to "eat bread" in the Holy Presence of the Almighty, in His Future Temple in fact. A "Temple" that was previously abandoned by God for becoming guilty of committing "fornication" with its filthy, disgraceful "king's" activity. These worthless "kings" [Governing Body of JWs] are the ones who presumptuously "put their doorposts" right up beside "God's doorpost" and caused the Temple to be "defiled" in God's eyes. Now the Temple must be "purified" before God will come near them again. (Ezekiel 43:22-27) A "defiled" Temple that now, because of spiritual "fornication" being committed by the "kings" [G.B. UN/NGO Disaster], that now has to be cleansed and "purified" before God would accept them again. As Ezekiel says of this new Temple Arrangement, "This is the law of the House...all around is something most holy. Look! This is the law of the House." In other words, Jehovah is primarily interested in this "House" being kept dutifully "Holy", spiritually clean, in His sight, before He will deal with them again. -- See Ezekiel 43:7-12.

Simple.

And to set this whole stage of events for us, dutifully Almighty God reveals His "confidential matters" to this foretold designated person, who fully carries out God's Will toward wayward "Israel" [JWs]. He becomes the "Servant" of God; the one God "chooses" for this work. -- Isaiah 49:1-7

So God chooses the "Chieftain", who then despenses the "knowledge" to the deserving ones of "Israel" first. The ones God has chosen. Therefore, the "kingdom of God", becomes repatriated, restored "Israel". The ones that are restored from apostasy to God's favor. The spiritual nation of Israel [JWs]. And that means, we today who accept God's arrangement for peace, we who accept Ezekiel's "Chieftain", restored Israel, become the "kingdom of God", reborn on earth, the kingdom that we have all waiting for all of this time. God's Kingdom is now, upon earth, where God "dwells" forever and ever. In other words, we as "Jehovah's Witnesses" become the long-awaited "Temple" Arrangement that had to be pulled up from spiritual "fornication", because of the disgraceful sins of the Governing Body of Jehovan's Witnesses, but later will have the inestimatable privilege to have God Almighty Himself "reside in the midst of the sons of Israel to TIME INDEFINITE". -- Ezekiel 43:7-9; 48:35

So the story does have a happy ending, after all.

This is a blessing, if we can "see" the whole picture. We can today become the holy, blessed "arrangement" of God. But first, we must come to understand the role of the "Chieftain". Again, keeping it simple. We must come to understand the "Chieftain" is the one that God invites to "eat bread" in His lofty presence, the only one. And he will provide proper directions for us, Israel. Israel can recovery from spiritual disaster, only if they accept the spiritual help from the "Chieftain", and thus benefit fully from this horrible WTS "experience". This is our only, only way out. -- Ezekiel 44:1-3; Daniel 2:34, 35, 44

bjc

Edited by - bjc2read on 24 November 2002 13:46:14

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I Would Like To Learn Series #2

by IslandWoman in

this is the second in a limited series of questions i have for those who know the bible and may have an answer for me.

i will not make further comment on any posts to this thread.

my only intent is to understand what those who study the bible believe and to encourage discussion between them.

bjc2read

Hi IW:

Excellent question! Here is your answer.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=10030&site=3

And this info. (Please pay close attention to comments at the end on "OSAMA BIN LADEN".)

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39618&site=3

As the foretold coming "Zerrubabel" who becomes God's "seal ring" for our day, you have inquired about someone called MDS on jw.com and other jw discussion boards. (Haggai 2:23) This person has clearly demonstrated the fact that nobody, other than himself, understands these important spiritual "matters" you speak of. In the future, he will be known as Y.O.R. of Jeremiah 23:5, 6, someone foretold to come in our day.

Hope this helps. If you would like more detail information, my email is open.

bjc

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I Would Like To Learn Series #1

by IslandWoman in

this is the first in a limited series of questions i have for those who know the bible and may have an answer for me.

i will not make further comment on any posts to this thread.

my only intent is to understand what those who study the bible believe and to encourage discussion between them.

bjc2read

Hi IW:

Excellent question! Here is your answer.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=10030&site=3

And this info. (Please pay close attention to comments at the end on "OSAMA BIN LADEN".)

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39618&site=3

As the foretold coming "Zerrubabel" who becomes God's "seal ring" for our day, you have inquired about someone called MDS on jw.com and other jw discussion boards. (Haggai 2:23) This person has clearly demonstrated the fact that nobody, other than himself, understands these important spiritual "matters" you speak of. In the future, he will be known as Y.O.R. of Jeremiah 23:5, 6, someone foretold to come in our day.

Hope this helps. If you would like more detail information, my email is open.

bjc

Edited by - bjc2read on 17 November 2002 8:48:41

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The "Great War" (Daniel 10:1 NIV) -- ...

by bjc2read in

the "great war" ahead -- our future!

(daniel 10:1 niv) .

on this thread, i will comment from time to time, as current events unfold, for the benefit of mystery "israel", god's name people.

bjc2read

TR,

Its not my book to give.

Please ask the one who "owns" the book. His email address is open I believe.

bjc

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The "Great War" (Daniel 10:1 NIV) -- ...

by bjc2read in

the "great war" ahead -- our future!

(daniel 10:1 niv) .

on this thread, i will comment from time to time, as current events unfold, for the benefit of mystery "israel", god's name people.

bjc2read

Minimus:

If any of us have a "hope" or a "prayer" of survival of what is ahead for us, then our only way out, because of the tremendous upheavals and devastations coming from this "Great War" (Dan. 10:1 NIV) and aftermath is this:

You must come to RECOGNIZE ALMIGHTY GOD and HIS WILL for "Israel", the "seed of peace" (Zech 8:12 NWT), and JOIN, JOIN a disciplined, restored "ISRAEL", where "nations will learn WAR NO MORE." You must "join" restored "Israel", who was formerly a spiritually low "land of decoration" that is restored, disciplined and made into a exalted, elevated spiritually speaking "Mountain of Decoration" -- Isa. 2:2-4; Daniel 11:41, 45

bjc

Edited by - bjc2read on 30 October 2002 10:51:20

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The "Great War" (Daniel 10:1 NIV) -- ...

by bjc2read in

the "great war" ahead -- our future!

(daniel 10:1 niv) .

on this thread, i will comment from time to time, as current events unfold, for the benefit of mystery "israel", god's name people.

bjc2read

THE "GREAT WAR" AHEAD -- OUR FUTURE! (Daniel 10:1 NIV)

PLEASE NOTE: On this thread, I will comment from time to time, as current events unfold, for the benefit of mystery "Israel", God's Name People. The ones whom the scriptures reveal must repent or be severely disciplined. Remember, I will comment from time to time, intermittently, upon occasion as the need may be.

Hi all:

MDS wrote what you will find below, October 22, 2000 on jw.com, exactly 2 years ago.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=1096&site=3&page=2

Back then, MDS stated he would provide "key" information and become our "guide" for the future for all interested parties. Mankind's guide, for all lovers of "peace". He directed attention to Isaiah 49:1-7 which shows only one man, will be used by God to provide such information. When all is said and done, this one will fulfill the contents of John 16:13, 14. He would "guide" us, just as God said before hand, "INTO ALL TRUTH", and would "DECLARE THE THINGS COMING", the future, so that all would know exactly who he is. If MDS truly is that person, the future itself will prove it, and it would prove that God gave him "all the truth". He would become at that time, the "Spirit of The Truth" for all mankind, at the end of a special 14 year period of particular spiritual "enlightenment", granted to mystery "Israel" and all interested parties. A Period that terminates MDS say, by the Spring of 2010. At that time, by that time, MDS predicts he will have become "a light to all nations", so that God's "salvation may come to be to the extremity of the earth." -- Isaiah 49:1, 6

MDS said he was chosen to become the mystery "chieftain", who is the only one allowed to "eat bread", spiritual "bread", holy "bread", in the presence of the Almighty, in the "east gate" before the Great Jehovah, or Yehowah [yah--o-ah], the Creator of the Universe. This "temple" is a future temple of God's making, one that God accepts, but one that wayward "Israel" must not pollute, as they had in the previous one, by exalting their "kings" [their so-called "Governing Body"] to parity with God Almighty. They unwittingly put "their threshold with God's threshold, and their doorpost beside God's doorpost". Thus, unwittingly, they committed IDOLATRY before the Almighty. They, following their leaders, committed a NATIONAL SIN. Thus, the worship is NOT acceptable to God. The "copper altar" for burnt offerings must be "purified", re-installed, before their worship would be acceptable to Jehovah God again. -- Ezekiel 43:7,8; 20-27; 44:1-3; Lev. 4:3, 13

For the foregoing reasons, he comes with a "covenant" from God. A covenant of "peace", and "indefinitely lasting covenant" of peace, that could exist between and God and His repentant people. Still, a covenant that they know nothing about, as of now. (Isa. 42:6; 49:8; Ezekiel 34:25; 37:23-28)

This one, must prove to be the "Son of Man", that has to be "REVEALED" [Greek: "apokalupto" (apocalyse), uncovered, disclosed], in these last days to the world at large. (Luke 17:30) Really, when we stop and think about it, the immediate coming of Jesus Christ would not prove to a true "uncovering" in our age, since countless millions, billions expect that already. Further, Jesus Christ does not need to be "revealed" to anyone, today. The whole world has heard about him and his return, a sizeable portion of that world are expecting his imminent return. However, no one is expecting the coming of "Elijah", the one in whom Jesus said would "come first" and "restore ALL things". No, they are NOT expecting that future bible figure. And mystery "Israel", is not either. This is because mystery "Israel" could never see the need for such a spiritual "restoration" for itself. It could never ever, admit such a complete and utter failing on their part, as a nation before God. But Jesus did. For these reasons, the "world" cannot "receive" him, because they recognize [behold] him not, and "know" him not, scripturally speaking. They know nothing of his foretold coming. -- Matt. 17:10, 11; Luke 17:30; John 14:17

In this way, he has been "hidden" as a "polished arrow" before mankind. He was "concealed" in God's own "quiver"; hidden in the "shadow of God's Hand". -- Isaiah 49:2

So because of this, right now, Jehovah's Witnesses do not understand what this means for them. But, beginning with the advent of the "Great War" of Daniel 10:1 (NIV), which is now before us, with that GREAT EVENT, the ride of the "fiery-colored horse" that is allowed to "take peace away from the earth," the "safeguarded ones of Israel" will begin to understand what MDS is talking about. -- Isaiah 49:6; Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:2-4

The claim of MDS, is no small claim, no "trivial matter". (Isa. 49:6)

MDS [Modern Day Servant] would have the God-ordained mission to "raise up the tribes of Jacob", raise them up, so that "Israel may be gathered" to God, in peace. They must be "raised up" because of being in a spiritually lowered condition before God. So the "Servant" must "bring Israel back" to God. He willingly performs this service for God, and thus becomes the "Servant", the Modern Day Servant of our time. The one foretold in scripture and prophecy, to come during our time. (Isa. 49:5, 6) By considering this, this shows Israel fallen from God's grace and favor, due to bad conduct, false worship and idolatry in God's eyes. They are so low, a "land of decoration" rather than a "Mountain of Decoration". (Daniel 11:41, 45) Therefore, they need a special "helper" from God. Therefore, he becomes the foretold "Shiloh", the one who was promised to come when Israel would be in serious "distress", in the "final part of the days". (Gen. 49:1, 10, 24-26; Jer. 30:7-9) They have fallen into spiritual "apostasy". And from the depths of spiritual apostasy, as a "helper", he must gradually "restore" them to a renewed relationship with God, just Jesus did with Israel of the first century. He does this, to "bring back the safeguarded ones of Israel," before Jesus Christ comes with "destruction". (Malachi 4:5, 6; Matthew 19:28; Acts 3:20, 21) Each "safeguarded one" of Israel, everyone of that family is precious to God, to Almighty God. This is true, even though at present, they are spiritually speaking, a pitiable people, lost people due to wicked, bad "shepherds" who have brutalized them, for selfish gain. -- Ezekiel 34th chapter

But who are the real "tribes of Jacob"? The lost tribes of Israel, who are they? Its a mystery, a "sacred secret".

Some years ago, over 12 years ago, MDS recognized who mystery "Israel" in bible prophecy. Since that time, he has made that "disclosure" from God, known to many. He, as time passed, chose his forum. He chose the people that he would "speak" to, to invite them to "repentance" to God. He chose Discussion Boards that are especially frequented by JWs and exJWs and persons who are intimately acquainted with JWs. When all is said and done, MDS said, Mystery "Israel" will prove to be, Jehovah's Witnesses. (Isaiah 49:6)

Zechariah 8:12 [NWT] shows the nation of Israel must become God's "seed of peace" [NWT] so that in a priestly functioning way, they the nation can lead all other nations to "beat their swords" and "spears" into useful instruments, and "learn war no more." (Exodus 19:5,6; Isa. 2:2-4) The "Great War" that is before us, will show the great urgency and wisdom of such a noble goal for mankind. It is God's will that these "nations" learn real "peace" from "Mt Zion", where God's "Law goes forth" into all the earth. But before any of this can happen, Israel itself, must come to be at "peace" with God. They must become a "friend of peace" with God. When Jesus came, they rejected this opportunity. (Luke 10:6; 19:42) Therefore, their earthly nation could not stand before God. God could not and would not "restore the kingdom to Israel", the earthly kingdom they wished to have to that nation, because they rejected the actual terms for "peace" with God. However, that marvelous opportunity will be offered a second time, by God's modern day messiah to "Israel" upon earth. It will be God's answer to the prayer, "let your kingdom, your will be done, on earth, as it is in heaven." (Matthew 6:10) Therefore, after severe discipline has been administered to wayward Israel, a large portion from that number will accept those terms, and become the earthly government they were foretold to become peace for all other nations. -- Daniel 2:34, 35, 44, 45, 47; Acts 1:6

In the post below, MDS states it will take some 14 years for "Israel" and interested parties to come to understand this fact. His unique situation. His claims to be a modern-day "messiah". MDS teaches, approximately 7 of those 14 years have ALREADY passed. 7 years, as of Spring 2003. Which leaves the final 7, running from Spring 2003-2010. (The first 7 years which started with the appearance of "AJWR", Israel's awakening of "sin" in her midst and a special "measuring" period of the "temple", runs from Spring 1996 thru Spring 2003.) That traumatic 7-year period, that particular period is called "Daniel's week" in the Bible, as it represents the final "week" of a 70-week prophecy to pinpoint the coming of the "messiah" of God, based upon Daniel 9:24-27. MDS will provide such details of the future, explaining bible prophecy, as we would logically expect of a "messiah", in whom the Samaritan woman expected to "declares all things openly" so that she could understand. His role, then is to correctly "intrepret" scripture, just as Jesus did. (John 4:25; Luke 24:27) He is God's 'Interpreter" of Scripture. Therefore, by the end of that particular period, by the year of 2010, all will have ample evidence of exactly who God's "messiah" [anointed one] is. That is Spring, of the year 2010. -- Revelation 11:1

It is our future.

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Hi Zep:

MDS, are you involved with 'The Report'?. If so, what happened to the web link i was promised? They said it was going to be up within a week, and that was months ago?

The website is still coming....we will advise when it is finished.

I mean all this stuff is fascinating MDS, just like Frenchy's story was fascinating. But how do you expect us to believe this stuff when you don't offer up any real proof.

Neither (a) the website, nor the (b)book called the "Report," offers any "proof" of this man's claims, the writer's claims, other than the interpretations of scriptures and prophecy themselves, as being backed by God..."god-breathed," God inspired.

Only the interpretations themselves, are offered as "proof."

Let me explain.

When someone "predicts" something...we need time to observe, to look, to meditate, to analyze, to see if such predictions have actually "come true" or not. So, we need time for this...reasonably speaking.

Jehovah God knows this.

So, Mankind will be given much, much time to wait, observe and see if the "predictions," the interpretations of scripture and prophecy will indeed come true or not, just as the writer of the "Report" had said they would.

Also, the people will know, using Deuteronomy 18:18-22, whether the one who speaks of these things, is a "true" or "false," prophet. They will be given much time to analyze and observe the outcome of what has been predicted...over 14 years.

Actually, the real essence of the "Report" itself, is that it makes a number of serious "predictions" about the future of Jehovah's Witnesses and God's dealings with them, in the future, as described in detail within the book. The book speaks of the coming fate of the nation of Jehovah's Witnesses as "modern-day Israel," of Bible prophecy, and how they fare, in the future days ahead...with the "king of the North" bearing down upon them.

The book shows the WTS will make a "serious mistake" in misreading the situation of the upcoming "Great War," as directly leading to "Armageddon," and will unwittingly PROCLAIM SUCH TO THE WORLD, thru its official journal, and signature magazine..."The WatchTower" magazine. This "MISTAKE," this foolish blunder in judgment, will prove to be fatal for them, and will virtually (though not completely) put them "out of business" as the self-proclaimed, "spirit-directed", but yet, non-inspired, "prophet" before God and mankind.

This is because, as said above, the "Great War," WILL NOT lead to "Armageddon," at all, but unexpected "peace," yes, "peace," between nations...peace. And during this unexpected "peace," during a time of proclaimations of "peace and security," yes, during that time of peace, then...

...WORLDWIDE PERSECUTION will come upon Jehovah's Witnesses, as a nation, quickly, "instantly," upon Jehovah's Witnesses, world-wide. At that time, Jehovah's Witnesses are now, earthwide "enemies," with the "king of the North," and his great "war" machine, who now reigns supreme earthwide. The United States of American will suffer a horrible defeat at his hands and will be reduced to a nation only interested in deeds of humanitarianism, at this time in human history.

The "Report's" predictions.

The world's scene will change drastically, after these events take shape. And so, Jehovah's Witnesses as a people, will have to "change," to accommodate the situation...completely change, to appease the "King of the North." Those that choose to "stay with the organization" at this time, will indeed, "receive the mark of the beast" as those in power at the helm of the organization will direct them to do so...during such an unexpected, unforeseen difficult time.

The "Report" speaks of, "predicts," changing political upheavals ahead, changes in policy as to how they (Jehovah's Witnesses, Israel) will be handled and viewed by the world in general, governments of the world, in the upcoming months and years ahead. After the "Great War," spoken of in Daniel 10:1 NIV; Matt. 24:7; Rev. 6:4.

The "Report" also speaks of a major split or major break in the brotherhood of Jehovah's Witnesses, resulting in two factions of JWs, divided off from each other, as spoken of in prophecy. This major split is foretold in the book for the nation of Jehovah's Witnesses, just after the "Great War" has been finished.

The book also, speaks of God revealing His Hand in a powerful way, by adding 200 million followers to the movement, to the smaller faction that breaks off, He adds this number to them...but only after the split has occurred. At a specific time, they are presented to the world, as a united group of worshipers, as Modern-Day "Israel," a completed nation, numbering over 200 million, as Romans 11:25,26 foretold.

Again, the prediction: Some, 200 million individuals will willingly and voluntarily, embrace the Name of God, and will want to be publicly identified by that Name, indicating Jehovah's blessings upon the newly established group, who have the courage to break free from the present-day structure and organization under the direction of the WTS.

This is an indication of God's special blessing upon such a group.

These predictions and more predictions like these, interpretations of prophecy, will be first, written down, dated and documented, for all to see. They are put before the world, as "proof,"... that only God, Jehovah KNOWS THE FUTURE, how things will turn out.

The writing of this literature, The "Report," ... the accuracy of the predictions, then, becomes the "proof" then, of God's Will in the matter. The "proof" that God is backing the writer of this material. Also, that He wants mankind to know, the "way out" of this situation.

Then, people simply wait, they wait and see if the "predictions," and interpretations come true...and then, they can make their decision as to whether they want to accept the "claims" of the personage, making these aforementioned predictions.

This is God's way of settling the matter...of directing His people, in the path to which he wants them to go.

So, if and when these "predictions" come actually true, then, and only then, will the people make up their minds about the "one person," responsible for the writing of these "predictions," and whether this person is who he claims to be. Whether he is from God or not.

Can he now, "guide" the world, "into ALL TRUTH," -- that will be the question before all, at that time. -- John 16:13

Time, much time is needed.

The world of mankind, will have over 14 years, that's OVER 14 years, to observe, think, analyze and make an informed decision about the claims of this individual responsible for all of these "predictions."

They will be given the much needed time to analyze the matter, by Jehovah God. And then, and only then, when they have observed ALL OF THESE PREDICTIONS and interpretations of scripture/prophecy to have come true...only then, are they expected by God, Jehovah, to make a decision on the matter...only then.

So, you see, we have much ahead of us, before we are expected to make our decision on whether this person is who he claims to be...if he really is "from God" or not...God's representative or not.

We don't have to rush...we have plenty of time, to make up our minds...and much "evidence" to consider, before we are expected to make up our minds.

So relax...as they say ... "Rome wasn't built in a day," was it?

Take Care,

MDS

Edited by - MDS on 22 October 2000 4:10:52

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As I mentioned above, from time to time, I will make certain "key" points that are pertinent to the subject matter here and current events of our time as they unfold. In the meantime, we may be certain to look forward to a few surprises for President Bush, Tony Blair, United Nations Security Council and company. "ISLAM" the nations thereof, are going to do a serious "dance" upon the faces of "Christendom", with particular damage being done to the GREAT CENTERPIECE of all Christian faiths worldwide, the (Holy) land of the Israelis! Natural Israel and their borders. The removal of that particular "centerpiece" of token christian doctrine, will reveal how God feels about false teachings, and those who wickedly promulgate them to the unlearned in their midst. We can rightfully expect, within the next 6-7 months, OSAMA [USAMA] BIN LADEN, with much "intrigue" (Dan. 8:23 NIV) will come into power in the most surprising way. Daniel 8:23 speaks of his advent upon the world. The introduction to him. Bible prophecy shows OBL, will prove to be the great spiritual leader of this over powering "beast" with "10 horns". Organized Military nations of the people of ISLAM, who are finally united, against the perceived "imperialism" of the United States/Israel alliance. Those people who when collected together, fighting together, will prove to be an "extraordinarily fearsome beast", as a people. All 1.2 Billion of them!

Even now, they collectively think together in secret. They already exist as the "Islamic Conference Nations", in whom Palestinian leader Arafat consults with secretly. Collectively to date, they are 56 nations. In the past, we know the nations of Islam were not united. They fought among themselves. They were divided. However, this situation will not continue. If forced to act, these people will clearly show the world, the true meaning of their religious word: "JIHAD"! To be sure, these people collectively, are more dangerous and brutal in inflicting pain, death and suffering, than any other people ever gathered together upon the face of this earth. During such a turbulent time, many will hate the "king of the South" [United States./Great Britain]. Yes, even the very ones "eating his delicacies will bring his breakdown". He will be double-crossed by those he thought he could trust. But he, the "King of the South", cannot buy his "friends". They are not his "friends", but only hate him. (Daniel 11:14; 11:26) The people of "Islam", militarily-guided by OBL -- a formidable foe. OBL, the "small horn" of bible prophecy. OBL (Osama bin Laden) in whom God says, is a one who is noted to "understand ambiguous sayings", his forte. The one who will provide spiritual leadership among the foretold militarily armed "10 horns" or "10 kings" of Daniel's prophecy. He will become their spiritual leader. Islam's rallying point. The "small horn", that has "eyes" and a "mouth" that speaks "grandious things." (Daniel 7:7, 8, 19, 20, 23-25; 8:23-25; 11:21-26)

As President Bush works fervishly to start his "war", to get his United Nations Security Council support to disarm IRAQ, this is our future.

bjc

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Will God intervine?

by kelsey007 in

jw
friends

or is this life on earth only a testing or proving ground for an eternal life elsewhere?

as jw's we were taught that god will intervine in the world and bring the earth to a unified state under a theocratic government.

so, is man capable of maintaining the earth without intervention from a "higher source"?

bjc2read

kelsey:

God will intervene. We know this, because God abhors "violence", and will only tolerate limited amounts of it. -- Gen. 6:11, 12; Psalms 11:5

But, the "Great War" is indeed, ahead of us. God spoke of it. But there will be survivors, God says. -- Daniel 10:1; Matt. 24:7; Rev. 6:4

Man cannot help himself in that he cannot "direct his steps" successfully without causing total disaster. He is violent and completely PRONE to war and self-destruction. (Jer. 10:23, 24) Jehovah allows this "war" situation to develop to force people to see, THEY NEED GOD, instead of President Bush, V. Putin, Tony Blair and so on. Then, God teaches mankind the ways of "peace" by making restore spiritual "Israel" become the "seed of peace" first. And then afterwhich, they can now adminstrate "peace" for all other nations, and the "nations learn WAR NO MORE." (Isa. 2:2-4; Zech. 8:12 NWT)

This great war before us, will prove something to all intelligent life, heavenly and earthly. This: Man can do nothing on his own but, DESTROY HIMSELF, along with all plant life and animal life, if God lets him. That is all he is good for, and this next war will prove it. So God allows it. Man is completely helpless withOUT GOD. Also, the next war will prove the Bible is God's Word, and is completely true and can be relied upon, totally.

This link I think will help all those who believe the bible and have faith in God's promises:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=39553&site=3

Keysey remember, Isaiah 7:9 says,

"...If you do not stand firm in faith, you whall not stand at all." (NRSV)

Believe me, based upon whats ahead, the "Great War", we are going to need it! We will need faith.

peace,

bjc

Edited by - bjc2read on 29 October 2002 18:23:37

Edited by - bjc2read on 29 October 2002 18:25:7

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World War III Looming?

by kelsey007 in

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friends

as this administrations (u.s.) seems intent on attacking iraq the north koreans have admitted violating a 1994 treaty banning thier production of nuclear arms.

as of today they have told japan that they have no intent of giving up thier arms.

that combined with a recent assasination of an american diplamat and other terrorist activities around the globe brings to mind how volatile world conditions are.

bjc2read

Ya'll, we had better -- hold on!

See Daniel 10:1 (NIV); Matthew 24:7; Rev. 6:4.

bjc