Of course it´s a fraud. And so is everything that claims to have "the Truth", specially when they base their opinion on a "wholly book" the call the "word of God".
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BU2B comments on "Are you convinced you have the truth? Why?" WT article.
by BU2B ini want to start doing a wt review on certain articles.
i think we need as much discussion as possible breaking down these mind control sessions.
i cannot compare with blondie, but i will do my best.
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Evidence Regarding the Evolution of Cetaceans - Whales etc
by cofty inthis excellent little video sumamrises some of the evidence for the evolutionary history of cetaceans.. if focuses on comparative anatomy, embryology, fossils and dna.. .... .
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It is a sad thing that we in the year of 2014 still have to educate people the very basic in modern science. Are the average human beeing dumb?
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Doctors and surgeons say no to blood transfusions
by Mr Negative inmy mum recently told me that even surgeons won't have blood transfusions, but the common people don't get told this.
i have also seen or heard others say that a bunch of doctors/health officials/surgeons were asked, at some point, if they would accept a blood transfusion and they all said no.
is this true?
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Qoute: Number 1, circumcision is not a requirement. It is up to each person to decide at this point. Second, how do you know the Isrealites (who were the only ones seemingly cutting off foreskins), didn't kill a bunch of their children, and figure out if they waited....they didn't bleed to death?
It is not. They do that on young boys and the decissions are made by the parents. A young boy between 1 months or 1 year, cannot make his dec. by himself. Nor can a young JW, understand whats on.
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Please Give Me Your Thoughts On Unusual Elderly Behavior....(thanks)
by minimus inmy girlfriend's dad who is 82 lost his second wife to cancer last october.
while she was dying, he secretly was seeing another woman, in her 60s.
long story short, a month after the wife's death, they both moved in together and in early june , they secretly got married.
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Common human greed is the driver to all evil, weather its from male or female. It runs the whole world..
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Doctors and surgeons say no to blood transfusions
by Mr Negative inmy mum recently told me that even surgeons won't have blood transfusions, but the common people don't get told this.
i have also seen or heard others say that a bunch of doctors/health officials/surgeons were asked, at some point, if they would accept a blood transfusion and they all said no.
is this true?
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One of my daughters, is a professionally trained and examined medical doctor. With more than seven years spent at university. Raised as a JW child, of course the blood issue has been one of the questions that interested her by most. Investigation this thoroughly, she has never ever heard a colleague saying something so stupid. In fact here in Scandinavia it would be impossible to become a professional medical doctor and swore the Hippocratic ode, and get your license, if you refuse your patients proper treatment.
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ANOTHER CHURCH THAT EVOLVED INTO A CULT
by NAVYTOWN inthere are various stories in the news today about the head pastor, mark driscoll, of the mars hill megachurch in seattle resigning after much extended controversy.
from what i read, his church was in many ways similar to the jws.
shunning.
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Very similar pattern as the dubs
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What Govt./Judicial/Legal organizations exist in the U.S.A.to investigate bogus charities,religions.
by smiddy in, international bible students association , may very well have started out with high ideals according to their charter in providing comfort and faith and assistance to their followers .. however the i.b.s.a.
has since morphed into something entirely different over the years into becoming a multi million dollar publishing / real estate empire using volunteer labour to amass millions of dollars over the years posing as a not for profit organization and using charitable status which is misleading to say the least.. in the last ten years they have amassed around 900 million dollars in real estate sales in new york /state alone.. why are they not being investigated .. the religion of jehovahs witnesses are not a charitable organization in the strictest sense of the word as they only give to their own members or that their family or freinds .they do not give to the general population.. and why would they , they beleive the "whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one ,satan the devil.".
everyone who is not a jehovahs witness will be destroyed at armageddon , which is always imminent.. smiddy.
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Smiddy!
You ask qoute: ” Why are they not being investigated”….
The worst thing that could happened to the soc. Is a public tax. Inquiry investigation. As far as I know they have all the time being avoiding this by claiming that they are a “religious aid organization”, with the support from American laws from back in the 1900 centuries. No accounting has to be shown publicly. They use Bible quotations to back up their standpoint (Do not let your left hand know what the right hand do when you give a donation) . The treasures within the Soc. Is handled mainly by the “Treasure dept. And this department is run by a numbers of “directors” with probably Don Alden Adams in charge. Everything here is closed for any public insight. But some countries have different laws. In England for instance the Watchtower soc. Must present a yearly fiscal report given incomes and expenditure’s. Those I have seen, are ending up with large numbers of UK £. The funny thing is that the excess money is immediately “given away” to an international Aid organization in the US called Watchtower Bible and Tract Society…!! And here is end of story. All moneys, bonds, shares, equity funds is untraceably. And those who have the control of this can do whatever they like with this fortune. They are only responsible before God.
In Sweden when the branch office was closed, the Swedish State television, made an interview with the brothers and asked who should have all the moneys, when it was sold. The brothers replied, that they were registered covered by Swedish taxation laws and their organization numbers was public. However searching for this taxation number, it was discovered that it really was registered as “a monk orders” , with no obligation to pay tax. All their money was sent to their “mother organization in the US…? Later this JW church org. was applying for Swedish state contribution to their “youth activities”, and was denied this money; they screamed and cried, high about “discrimination” of certain religious groups.
It stinks…!!!!
I think that a serious group of us with the knowledge and the juridical qualification, must organize a pressure group to let the taxation authorities know what’s going on, both in England, Sweden, and US.
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Can a religion claim: Only we have the truth?
by Kalos intruth is self-evident (things like: the whole is greater than its part ....).. truth is always right (things like: caring for the accident victim helplessly bleeding on the road ....).. claiming: only we have the truth is like claiming: only my university is useful.
history shows that many school/college drop-outs have made significant contributions to the society like many those who completed their education!
and on the contrary, many school/college drop-outs have made significant damage to the society like some of those who completed their education!
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Kalos,
Thank you for your long explanation of human consciousness. I do believe that humans have a conscience. But I do this only as a result of heritage and education.
You say quote: Like my dream, the experimental results of quantum theory confirm that the properties of particles in the “real” world are also observer-determined.
Yes I know that some results from quantum theory are very odd or strange. Like that some electrons of atoms seems to “knowing each other even in remote distance”!!
But then you are adding something that a modern scientist cannot do. You interpret those results as a proof of a Godthing, a Transcendental new world that no one in fact can proof.
Yeas I like to watch the stars in the night in the Nordic countries. But I cannot over interpret and say that I believe there is a mystic figure that runs their lines and circles, and that he is telling us our future if we just listen to him!??
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Question for those converted to JW as adults
by DaleRivers inwhy did you become a jw, what particular teachings attracted you to 'the truth' ?.
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in my case (baptized at 20/21) it was the only religion i knew; my mom, her mom, and favorite sister were jw; and the teachings of no hellfire or immortal soul made sense to me.. .
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I was 26 when I met a girl to whom I fell in love. Only problem was that she was studying with the JW:s, and would not marry anyone else but a dub. So I started to investigate this religion (study) and I did like things with this new teachings learned (anti militarism, worldwide brotherhood, that they really care about their brothers and sister, no hell) a.sf.. So 1 year after that my girlfriend was baptized I was baptized and we got married. Now 40 years later we have 6 children, all of us are out except my wife. For more than 20 years I have been an elder in two congs. TMS, but the last 20 years I have slowly been fading, trying to get my children out – with good result. My wife still active, but I think she knows the TTATT, very well. But she is very loyal to all her old friends, and cannot leave.
What made me leave was the hypocrisy, their total ignorance of facts, their shunning of those with a different viewpoint. Their reinstallment of hell (in Armageddon). Also the fact that they are registered as an religious aid organization, with no obligations to give an account statement in public. Also their interest in grasping for more money. Owing more KH, branch offices, a.s.f. This is obviously not a religious aid org. it is more likely real estate company with a bunch of “directors” providing themselves with authority, reputation, prestige and most probably with money.
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Can a religion claim: Only we have the truth?
by Kalos intruth is self-evident (things like: the whole is greater than its part ....).. truth is always right (things like: caring for the accident victim helplessly bleeding on the road ....).. claiming: only we have the truth is like claiming: only my university is useful.
history shows that many school/college drop-outs have made significant contributions to the society like many those who completed their education!
and on the contrary, many school/college drop-outs have made significant damage to the society like some of those who completed their education!
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Kalos
You say basically that all religions and mind set with a higher spirit (ghost, daemon) above humanity must be to our advantage, since we feel responsibility to these ghosts? But what about if this “mind set just is a mind crack?
Quote: means one who values God more than His things!)
But if this god doesn´t exist.
From an atheist point of view there are no rational fact that proves the existence of a God or creator. Meaning that an atheist think that all these ideas of daemons, ghosts, spirits are all fabrications in our mind (like nightmares, or dreams).
Would you use your dreams to improve the world? Wouldn´t it be far more logic and less risky to use your intellectual mind, study proof able facts to investigate the world and then use these proof able facts to enlighten your fellow humans. This rather than using some old scriptures, interpreted by a large numbers of Prophets, with various ideas about moral ethics.
If you chose to believe, ideas picked up in old scriptures, ancient prophets, modern interpreters (priests) or even Philosophers, it could end up with the IS, Taliban’s, or Jonestown.
Bugbear