Posts by Bugbear

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Find What Your Social Status Was in the Congregation

by Mary in

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ever notice how the "happiest people on earth" are also the most class-oriented?

the social structure in the congregation is more complex than the blueprints of a nuclear warhead, but just so that you "remember your place", see if you can find where your niche was/is:.

1. at the top of the social order of things within the congregation is of course, the presiding overseer and his family.

Bugbear

I guess I have been both 1 and 2 moving to 8. I was always dubious, what I was told to say as TM, and the instructions that was given to me when I had a speech at an assembly hall. Sometimes I felt that the CO/BO could see my doubts about some issues. Before I become Nr. 8 I resigned as an elder and did just “symbolic” service. After University and “accurate knowledge” “there was a “burning fire” inside me, and now my old friend doesn’t dare to see me again. If they start to talk the truth and try to help me back, for old times’ sake, I have some few Philosophical questions, that I drop to them and ask them to think them over and give me their personal answer, when they come back. (They never come back.) Here are a few questions I have used:

1./ It is good that the Soc. Ended the theory of HELL, but why do they reinstall that hell in Armageddon again?

2./ How come that humans situations as by far better, of when humanity killed GOD´s one borne son on a cross (or whatever) and humiliated him?

3./ How can you love a father a God that over and over again kills his children, in a flood, with bacteria’s, with violent army’s, a.s.f.?

4./ How can you believe that an ancient book written over 2000 ago, translated, transcripted, translated again, lost, refund, are a “wholly book”, especially when it inherits so many awful stories about punishments, sacrifices?

And on and one I go…. Finally they hold their hands over their ears and rush away never to be seen again.

Bugbear

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Next time a JW tells you that you shouldn't let your children go to college ...

by EdenOne in

tell them this:.

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eden.

Bugbear

I did have a college degree when when I was 20, but becomming i JW stopped further educ. It was ot until I bocome over 60 yeras of age i finnaly started on University, whitin the subjects of History of Ideas and Science, and Philosophy. History. I did have at least great fun the last 7 years. And today I am much more selfconfident talking to "religious" people.

Bugbear

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BU2B comments on "Are you convinced you have the truth? Why?" WT article.

by BU2B in

i want to start doing a wt review on certain articles.

i think we need as much discussion as possible breaking down these mind control sessions.

i cannot compare with blondie, but i will do my best.

Bugbear

Of course it´s a fraud. And so is everything that claims to have "the Truth", specially when they base their opinion on a "wholly book" the call the "word of God".

Bugbear

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Evidence Regarding the Evolution of Cetaceans - Whales etc

by cofty in

this excellent little video sumamrises some of the evidence for the evolutionary history of cetaceans.. if focuses on comparative anatomy, embryology, fossils and dna.. .... .

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Bugbear

It is a sad thing that we in the year of 2014 still have to educate people the very basic in modern science. Are the average human beeing dumb?

Bugbear

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Doctors and surgeons say no to blood transfusions

by Mr Negative in

my mum recently told me that even surgeons won't have blood transfusions, but the common people don't get told this.

i have also seen or heard others say that a bunch of doctors/health officials/surgeons were asked, at some point, if they would accept a blood transfusion and they all said no.

is this true?

Bugbear

problemaddict

Qoute: Number 1, circumcision is not a requirement. It is up to each person to decide at this point. Second, how do you know the Isrealites (who were the only ones seemingly cutting off foreskins), didn't kill a bunch of their children, and figure out if they waited....they didn't bleed to death?

It is not. They do that on young boys and the decissions are made by the parents. A young boy between 1 months or 1 year, cannot make his dec. by himself. Nor can a young JW, understand whats on.

Bugberar

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Please Give Me Your Thoughts On Unusual Elderly Behavior....(thanks)

by minimus in

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my girlfriend's dad who is 82 lost his second wife to cancer last october.

while she was dying, he secretly was seeing another woman, in her 60s.

long story short, a month after the wife's death, they both moved in together and in early june , they secretly got married.

Bugbear

Common human greed is the driver to all evil, weather its from male or female. It runs the whole world..

Bugbear

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Doctors and surgeons say no to blood transfusions

by Mr Negative in

my mum recently told me that even surgeons won't have blood transfusions, but the common people don't get told this.

i have also seen or heard others say that a bunch of doctors/health officials/surgeons were asked, at some point, if they would accept a blood transfusion and they all said no.

is this true?

Bugbear

One of my daughters, is a professionally trained and examined medical doctor. With more than seven years spent at university. Raised as a JW child, of course the blood issue has been one of the questions that interested her by most. Investigation this thoroughly, she has never ever heard a colleague saying something so stupid. In fact here in Scandinavia it would be impossible to become a professional medical doctor and swore the Hippocratic ode, and get your license, if you refuse your patients proper treatment.

Bugbear

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ANOTHER CHURCH THAT EVOLVED INTO A CULT

by NAVYTOWN in

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there are various stories in the news today about the head pastor, mark driscoll, of the mars hill megachurch in seattle resigning after much extended controversy.

from what i read, his church was in many ways similar to the jws.

shunning.

Bugbear

Very similar pattern as the dubs

Bugbear

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What Govt./Judicial/Legal organizations exist in the U.S.A.to investigate bogus charities,religions.

by smiddy in

, international bible students association , may very well have started out with high ideals according to their charter in providing comfort and faith and assistance to their followers .. however the i.b.s.a.

has since morphed into something entirely different over the years into becoming a multi million dollar publishing / real estate empire using volunteer labour to amass millions of dollars over the years posing as a not for profit organization and using charitable status which is misleading to say the least.. in the last ten years they have amassed around 900 million dollars in real estate sales in new york /state alone.. why are they not being investigated .. the religion of jehovahs witnesses are not a charitable organization in the strictest sense of the word as they only give to their own members or that their family or freinds .they do not give to the general population.. and why would they , they beleive the "whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one ,satan the devil.".

everyone who is not a jehovahs witness will be destroyed at armageddon , which is always imminent.. smiddy.

Bugbear

Smiddy!

You ask qoute: ” Why are they not being investigated”….

The worst thing that could happened to the soc. Is a public tax. Inquiry investigation. As far as I know they have all the time being avoiding this by claiming that they are a “religious aid organization”, with the support from American laws from back in the 1900 centuries. No accounting has to be shown publicly. They use Bible quotations to back up their standpoint (Do not let your left hand know what the right hand do when you give a donation) . The treasures within the Soc. Is handled mainly by the “Treasure dept. And this department is run by a numbers of “directors” with probably Don Alden Adams in charge. Everything here is closed for any public insight. But some countries have different laws. In England for instance the Watchtower soc. Must present a yearly fiscal report given incomes and expenditure’s. Those I have seen, are ending up with large numbers of UK £. The funny thing is that the excess money is immediately “given away” to an international Aid organization in the US called Watchtower Bible and Tract Society…!! And here is end of story. All moneys, bonds, shares, equity funds is untraceably. And those who have the control of this can do whatever they like with this fortune. They are only responsible before God.

In Sweden when the branch office was closed, the Swedish State television, made an interview with the brothers and asked who should have all the moneys, when it was sold. The brothers replied, that they were registered covered by Swedish taxation laws and their organization numbers was public. However searching for this taxation number, it was discovered that it really was registered as “a monk orders” , with no obligation to pay tax. All their money was sent to their “mother organization in the US…? Later this JW church org. was applying for Swedish state contribution to their “youth activities”, and was denied this money; they screamed and cried, high about “discrimination” of certain religious groups.

It stinks…!!!!

I think that a serious group of us with the knowledge and the juridical qualification, must organize a pressure group to let the taxation authorities know what’s going on, both in England, Sweden, and US.

Bugbear

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Can a religion claim: Only we have the truth?

by Kalos in

truth is self-evident (things like: the whole is greater than its part ....).. truth is always right (things like: caring for the accident victim helplessly bleeding on the road ....).. claiming: only we have the truth is like claiming: only my university is useful.

history shows that many school/college drop-outs have made significant contributions to the society like many those who completed their education!

and on the contrary, many school/college drop-outs have made significant damage to the society like some of those who completed their education!

Bugbear

Kalos,

Thank you for your long explanation of human consciousness. I do believe that humans have a conscience. But I do this only as a result of heritage and education.

You say quote: Like my dream, the experimental results of quantum theory confirm that the properties of particles in the “real” world are also observer-determined.

Yes I know that some results from quantum theory are very odd or strange. Like that some electrons of atoms seems to “knowing each other even in remote distance”!!

But then you are adding something that a modern scientist cannot do. You interpret those results as a proof of a Godthing, a Transcendental new world that no one in fact can proof.

Yeas I like to watch the stars in the night in the Nordic countries. But I cannot over interpret and say that I believe there is a mystic figure that runs their lines and circles, and that he is telling us our future if we just listen to him!??

Bugbear