nice try brother lett.
you moved the cups around the table and thought we would not see the slight of hand you were handing us.
you begged for money but you have failed to show yourself capable of handling the monies already provided .
Doc
I agree with you. The question that always pops up in my mind is…. how do they dare ask for more money. Don´t they understand that this money begging and real estate selling will reduce the will to donate, amongst those who have economical capacity to give. In fact it will work contradicting to what they really want, more members, more founds, more real estates
Bugbear
what would have happen if i was not home when jehovahs witnesses knocked on my door?.
there was a group of us living in a small trailer in the mid 60s when and old pioneer brother knocked on our door and placed all kinds of books and magazines with us.
all of us took it seriously and studied and started attending the kingdom hall.
I think that a ”cult” might stable a person with problems for a while. But when that person discover that he is on the wrong track, it could go even worse. Those who remain in the “cult” are captured in a routine manner that helps them don’t do anything that the cult doesn´t approve.
Bugbear
when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .
no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.
still people find it so hard to leave.
Mephis
I think you are quite on to it, quoting:
(I did a year of coming down with every sickness I could think of trying to do a fade - bit easier with once a week phone calls).
In our neighborhood cong. almost all publishers are claiming illness or diseases. I personally know that 3 or 4 of the elders admit that they are going on pills. They offered me their pills when I claimed that I suffered from depression. I also know that In other neighbor congregations the situation is the same. All of them are desperately finding excuses for not take their speeches and going out in the service. This is what the WT call “the healthiest people on earth”. The world must be very sick…
Bugbear
so it was reported that the wt made $60,000,000 in canada last year (?).
working on the assumption that this figure is from not only donations, but from property revenues and other ventures from the branch, we get a figure of $528 per publisher, per year.
the calculation: 60,000,000 / 113,617 (2014 av pubs) = $528 a year per publisher.
Of course they are doing what every capitalist , always has being doing , collect all money they can for future eventual bad times, to secure their or their relatives prosperity and wellbeing. Investing them I “secure” founds. This is nothing but business. It’s only the squirrel mind that always has occupied human brains, there is no spiritual thought behind it whatsoever..
Bugbear
does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.
there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.
but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?
I come to think of a sign a saw the other day:
Life is a sexual transmitted disease, with 100% mortality.
Bugbear
does this mean possible a creator did or does exist.
there is plenty of evidence of a slow evolutionary changes over millions of years and i do not disagree with this.
but again that fact that mankind can not create a living creature from scratch mean there must be a creator?
First of all, put yourselves a question: What is life?
Is a DNA chain life? Is a virus crystal life? When becomes a chain of atoms enough complicated to become a molecule? And when is that molecule life?
Is it when It can replicate it selves? Or does it must have a system to breathing, water, oxygen. Is it necessary that it is built on carbon/chain/oxygen?
I think that scientists are still not agreeing on the definition. The waste numbers of different species, from viruses, bacterial, worms, parasites, insects, mammals, birds and fishes, on different places of the earth, shows us that a very long time of evolution, has been going on. We cannot tell exactly how the very first DNA molecule was formed But we know that certain circumstances made the DNA structure (if that is life) able to recreate or transformed it selves to new structures.
Some scientist claim that the can make DNA changes to new lifeforms. Others say that this is not creating new life, just cooping others lifeforms. (remember the sheep dolly?) Others says that viruses constantly reshape themselves, into new forms, much more dangerous to us than the old ones.
Sorry that I haven’t been able to answer your questions, just lying up new ones, but I think that is our part of life----trying to understand.
Bugear
similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..
all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.
the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.
Vidiot
god point "authoritarian regime" lol
buggis
similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..
all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.
the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.
Yes I have red Michel Foucault. In fact he was a french teacher in Uppsala University, before he went to Sorbonne in Paris where i wrote his famous thesis. Its a pity that we couldn´t have this published in Uppsala. I must however admit that I didn´t understood much of his reason...
My mainly subjecs is whitin the area of History on Ideas and science and Theoretical philosofy. I haven´t even yet achived my PhD, but was thinking that I would like to finished that before I die. (I am almost 70 years of age!?)
Thanks for tipping me
Bugbear
similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..
all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.
the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.
I am only preparing for an University Essay (30 p.) to be published when finished. Dont know when.
Bugbear
similarities between, jw:ism, stalinism, putinism, and mullahism, popeism and maoism..
all these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic voluntary working task forces, almost willingly to die for their leaders.
the workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.
Similarities between, JW:ism, Stalinism, Putinism, and Mullahism, Popeism and Maoism.
All these leaders has been elected by un elite group controlling big values in form of real estate, bank account, enthusiastic “voluntary” working task forces, almost willingly to die “for their leaders”.
The workers (slave class), is never ever supposed to question the leaders decisions.
If the elected top leader, (instead of god), fails to increase the elite groups intentions with regard to money, real estate, and numbers of people within the slave class, he will be “taken away” with very brutal or harsh methods.
The real truth about the organization and how they came into power must with all means be gagged down and never ever be revealed to their members.
All information about economy, assets, secret service capacity, and control over the masses are hidden and only available to the top leaders.
All negative information are stopped or hushed, and the members are not supposed to speak amongst them about it.
All new light is only coming from the leaders controlled inform channels. And every other informal channel are strictly forbidden, for the members to listen to or take a part of. If they do so they prefer to stay anonymous or undercover.
Is there anyone who can find even more similarities? I would like to add also new Ideas about these kinds of leadership, to an essay I am working on..
Bugbear
