Posts by Bugbear

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Observations from an Ex-Elder Part 3 - Why not create multiple Adam & Eve's?

by doubtfull1799 in

i saw a post the other day on another forum (think it was reddit) that put forward the idea that god should have created multiple couples, not just adam and ever.

this idea was so simple and brilliantly logical, that i wish i'd thought of it, but i cannot claim credit!

but it really got me thinking of the practical implications and benefits.... if god had simply created multiple couples instead of one, he would in one foul swoop have solved the problem of incest, as well as have prevented 6 thousand years of human tragedy and a ransom sacrifice being needed etc.

Bugbear

Doubtfull

I think your thoughts have the freshness of “new thinking”. You are really trying to avoid all the obvious obstacles and fallacies, that occur in the old Hebrew Scriptures. However your new and fresh ideas rise a number of new philosophical hard nuts to crack…..Here are a few examples:

Why did the other new creations have to suffer for the sin that Adam and Eve committed?

Did God use the same DNA structures to create these “creatures” as he obvious did with Adam and Eve.

On witch branch on the evolutionary tree shall we put these new creatures? On Ape branch or Lemur branch or some other…..

When did this creation took place 6000? Years ago or 25.000 years ago? Scientist says that they definitely, can find traces of human activity in some caves in in southern France, and in Turkey from not less then 25.000 years ( agriculture/hunting socit)…Not to say almost all agree on the fact that humans have originated in Africa.

If the Bible is incorrect when it describes the creation of the first humans, how can we trust it in any other way?

If the other creations were Gods “children” why did he only concentrate his efforts to raise Adam and Eve´s offspring?

In this mish mash of raising questions, for me, the only possible answer is “He/She didn´t create anything at all”….The billions of different specimen started with some “bacteria’s” some 3.7 billion years ago now in what is now placed in upper east Canada…. It started the creation of a (not a ladder) but of a gigantic three with millions of branches.

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

Bugbear

Of course WTS, is a very high control religion. And of course it has a pacifistic tendency...God will fix the killing later...

But if the members refuse to let their own children take blood transfusions, if some of the members are willingly to spend their whole lives in in proselytizing new members. If a lot of members thinks "the end is soooo near now", and the others are going to die anyway soon. So if the GB body decide that its better to start the big A, by sending some suicide bombers to the UN building, I am not so sure that they will have difficulties in recruiting some hardcore JW:s. Some of us were stupid enough to bye this a few years ago .....and you know "new light" will come......

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

Bugbear

Simon

that an actual rape culture isn't one because rapes are over-reported?......

No Simon, it is not over reported. The fact is that Swedish law has become much more strict and if D. Trump actually did “take them on the p…sy, he could face a rather harsh punishment for doing so. Women and girls are more aware of these strict laws against sexual harassments, and they use these laws more often. It is specially, the newcomers, who have no idea of how strict the law are in these cases….Julian Assange is only one example. Think of the people from the middle east who have heard of the sexual freedom in Sweden, Swedish girls, free love a.s.f…And then when they try to explore this, they find themselves charged with a serious crime…Of course the numbers of foreigner are exceeding the numbers of swedes in the statistics, that is no secrets, and those who violent these new laws are sent back to the country they belong to. The government of Sweden has made deals with some countries, Morocco, Afghanistan (and maybe some more) about sending back several 100 hundreds of young boys living on the streets…who doesn´t, understand these rules..

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

Bugbear

I want them held to the same level of accountability when they preach hate speech and suggest that entire races or groups should be killed.

Totally agree with you, but the real problem is that they think they work with God…

Kpop

The site you are referring to does not represent the real truth. In fact the Swedish laws have changed quite considerably during the 5-10 years. Raping is now considered quite a very hard crime. Even the an accusation, of rape makes the police quite alert and every case is brought up to the court. Remembering Julian Assange, prisoner at the equator embassy in London…here is a link to the situation:

http://www.dn.se/om/anklagelserna-mot-julian-assange/

It makes the accusation increase with 100%....Lots of girls are relieved by only the fact they know that the state of Sweden listen to them…

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SWEDEN: JWs Have Right to State Funding

by darkspilver in

jw
friends

fyi - from sweden.

first an article from the swedish newspaper svenska dagbladet (via google translate).

jehovah's witnesses won against the government.

Bugbear

The freewhelling

Your are correct, I am Swedish too....

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No more official visits to disfellowshipped & disassociated ones

by AverageJoe1 in

new letter today (please visit avoidjw.org for a copy of the official letter and yes, i also noticed they got the date wrong!).

february 28, 2017. to all bodies of elders.

re: visiting disfellowshipped or disassociated individuals.

Bugbear

I do remember the times when I got a call from members of BOE and a CO. It was rather embarrassing for them. I simply asked them to give me the answer on some simple questions about the contradictions in the Bible, about how long the time humans have been on earth, about the logic with the sacrificing of Jesus, how God could kill over millions of people in the flood….a.s.f. They blushed all over their face raised and excused themselves with that they were busy…the time was so short now and they must visit all the other that were I the need of a Bible study….. this was several years ago….haven´t seen them in years now…

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

Bugbear

Simon

What is the difference between a moderate Muslim and a Jihadist?

What is the difference between a peaceful shoemaker in Dresden in the 1300 century and

Sprenger and Krames who wrote “Maleus Malificarum” “The witch hammer” …

What is the difference between the Pope Urban the 2nd. Who ordered the Crusades and his fellow Italian winemaker “Frederico” who just prayed for a good wine harvest?

What is the difference between Luther, Calvin and S. Lett and other religious leaders and their ordinary cong. members….

The difference is that the few that have a leading position believes that God is with us…The other are not quite that sure….

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

Bugbear

There is no reason to believe that Muslims or catholic, or Pentecostal, or LDS, or JW:s or Amish or whatever is evil, What is evil, is that our individual mind accept that a book a prophet or priest can tell you that you must follow my God. Otherwise we will kill you. If your self-esteem your intelligence are low, and if the roots of your mind or brain packet is undereducated or if the elevator doesn´t reach the very top floor…..and if you doesn´t have a “critical mind”…..You are most likely to accept every idiotic teaching, just to feel the comfort of having friends…

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

Bugbear

Cofty

I don´t think you are a xenophobian... But quoting your own words:

Islam is only compatible with western freedoms and democracy to the extent Muslims are prepared to jettison their culture of mysogyny, anti-semitism and contempt for non-muslims

Most "muslims" I know, are very embarrassed, by beeing connected to those muslims with a religious mind. In fact they are atheist, Theist or nonbelivers. They fled from a Islamic state that was just about to kill them for being "nonbelievers"

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What did President Trump say about Sweden?

by kpop in

this you will never see on the mainstream media.

before you comment watch the whole video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

Bugbear

Cofty….

I am sorry to say that your sources of information belong to the same category as your president calls fake news. Fake news is made up by journalists that don´t take their jobs seriously. Their only interest is to make “headlines” become famous and sell their fake news to whoever wants to pay for them. No matter the consequence of their publishing, they keep publishing stories of 53 no-goes areas….. No swede has ever heard of these areas…. No swede, not even police officers are afraid of entering the center of Rinkeby. The story that came up a few days ago, when the police in Rinkeby got a tip about a famous (in Rinkeby) rapper that had a few grams of drugs in his pocket. The supporter of this rapper didn´t like the 2 police officers to arrest the man, and started to throw stones on them. They called for support, and 20 minutes later a smaller squad of 12 or 15 policemen arrived, that where properly equipped for stone casting teenagers. One officer shot one bullet in the air and the teens in anger burned one or two cars…. Do you call this terrorism?

Pls. do not believe everything that you hear from specially Fox news. For example the famous Nils Bildt, who has according to Fox new worked very close to the Swedish gov. He does not even exist. Probably they meant Carl Bildt who 20 years ago was the prime minister of Sweden. Carl made a comment on Trumps outburst “look at what happened yesterday in Sweden,, in Sweden…. Carl,s comments, was simply what has he (Trump) smoked???