Posts by Bugbear

18

Any Fader Disfellowshipped in later Years?

by braincleaned in

hi!.

hey, did anyone here ever get disfellowshipped after years of fading, because of having been discovered online saying crap about the wts and/or the gb?.

just wondering... you know they are following these sites....

Bugbear

De Wandelaar

the only people they will pester with it are my wife and my kids

Yes you are quite right. My wife is still in, and I do not care if they want to dfws me or not. But if they do, only my wife gets in trouble. She cannot have her friends at our home any longer as she liked to do so much. None of her congs. friends would like to come to our house. She would be regarded as a widow and strucked with the plauge.

How come that the GB doest´nt understand that this will even press her to drop of step by step. This even more since none of our kids any longer are in.

Bugbear

18

Any Fader Disfellowshipped in later Years?

by braincleaned in

hi!.

hey, did anyone here ever get disfellowshipped after years of fading, because of having been discovered online saying crap about the wts and/or the gb?.

just wondering... you know they are following these sites....

Bugbear

Yes I know that I have this year been not disfsh. but dissassociated, members of the congregation shall not seek me to speak about spiritual thing. Bu I have not attendet meetings in many year. This happends when CO and un elderly came to encouragement me to take up my meeting habit again. I told them that I had used the time by study history, history of Ideas and science and Philosophy, on an university level and that, I now was able to tell them the TTATT. More over I was able to let them se the historical documents and the artefacts that the Watchtower never publish, proofing the the "Bible" is not the word of god, merely is a collection (very interesting such) of myths legends and Jewish traditions written down by ordinary people, who didn´t understand better. They of course refused to let me take them on the tour of proof scientific evidence.

Budgbear

14

Do Jehovah's Witnesses, suffer from Stockholm Syndrome? What do you think?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

.

i believe they do.. loislane.

Bugbear

I think that the Stockholm syndrome is when the captive takes the part of those who imprission him or her. It happend 30 years ago when 2 bankrobbers take hostage and held them for days in the bank trying to get free by treathen the hostage. Those who were imprissoned by the robbers called the prime-minister from the bank and said that the robbers were really nice poeple, and that they should free them give them the money.

The thing is if the imprissoned one did that becouse the liked the robbers or if they were scared to death? In the watchtower case I think that many of the captives do like the GB. But they are also scared to death to say anything that could cause dfws, or shunning. The tradgedy is that the robbers now is cashing in the money, and the majority of the captives do not understand that they will die anyway.

Yes the situation is very similar to the Stockholm syndrome

Bugbear

49

Conspiracy theories.

by chrisuk in

i'd just like the opions of some of the more clear thinking member on this please:.

let me just start this by saying i don't really buy into conspiracy theories, but sometimes they seem to make sense, i suppose that's the point of them.

all this business with edward snowden seems to add a little more weight to certain conspiracy theories.

Bugbear

What you describe does´t seem to be conspiracy. The world is full of organized peoply in politics, religion, sporting, economy et.c. All the "leaders" of all these organizatons, are there becouse human beeings always want to rule things their way. Specially men seams to be interested in beeing on the "top". Being on the top means that you will have asset to money, facilities, women, this to secure that your genes will survive, and that you are respected/feared??!.

All animals are organizing their society in the same way. Look at the Gorillas, Apes, Moshes, deeres, wolves a.s.f.

Ask youre selves, is the muslim brotherhood in Egypt an iluminate thing? The Alquida, the Vatican, the pentacoste, the republicans, the communist (still existing?) I don´t think so. But I do think that all societies, need leadership, someone that looks strong, have Charisma, appealing to female, can use the money he controls to the benefits of all individuals whitin his group. This is probably the most common things of all human structures. It was first described by Darwin in his book "the origin of species". Today scientist all over the world find facts that matches his these "the fittest survive". The struggle between, nations, leaders, men/women, Children in School, amongst religions, fotball teams, is just a pattern that have arised. It is not created by Satan, deamons, bad angeles. It is created by the total absence of god.

Bugbear

94

If there is a god..

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

now we have to answer...... 1) is there more than one god?

how do you choose the most senior god?.

2) if you chose religious texts to make this desicion, how do you know they are not purposfully misleading by an ill willed god?.

Bugbear

Some one on this treed said qoute:" For those who do not believe in God, know that you are in disadvantage for there is No MORE CHANCE, there will not be no MORE Jesus. It is closed

It is possible to look on Jesus from a very different angle. Suppose that god se the earth as it is, wicked, dangerous, harmful, and ful of sin. He/she decides to send his son to save humanity. His son arrives and preach for all human beeings, hes got 12 diciples, and after 3 years of preeching, almost all people spit on him, punish him, destroy him and then hang him on a stake?

Now suddenly god can forgive all humans becouse his son sacrificed his body and his life, for humans sake. Does god likes us now much more then before. ?

Where is the logic? If I were god I should go mad and imideately destroy all those people involved in my sons death. For me the very the very basic of Christendom is based on a very unlogical thougt: God loved mankind so much that he sacrifised his own son, so that mankind should survive.

Isn´t that the very basic of Christendom?

Bugbear

10

Wow! Things have moved on!

by Oneoutallout in

jw
friends

this is only my second or third post.

my previous posts were under the username piglet.

i couldnt remember my log in details so i have now changed my username, which i feel is more relevant now anyway.

Bugbear

Your story is very similar to mine. I have 6 children. All of them are saved and out. But my wife is still in. She is desperately clinging to her believes, and I just let her have her time. I think that one of the reasons that she still is in is the fact that she has commited a number of persons to get babtised. It is hard to back out with that background.

Bugbear

94

If there is a god..

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

now we have to answer...... 1) is there more than one god?

how do you choose the most senior god?.

2) if you chose religious texts to make this desicion, how do you know they are not purposfully misleading by an ill willed god?.

Bugbear

I think, that if god does exist. He´s got a lot of explanations to be done. If he really does exist, I think that he/she really would be accused for a lot of crime with our present standard. I think that the court would find him insane, or more like a psycho. He would be imprissoned for lifetime or executed. Much better for him not to exist.

Bugbear

231

NEWBIES are leaving like crazy! Be very afraid WT

by clarity in

jw
friends

# 3 newbie post.

first of all, the newbies have set a record here!.

have you ever seen a 4pg post where 21 new members reply!

Bugbear

It looks like we have a sort of free JW international Congs. Our KH:s are within our computer, and that we are free in the sense that we dare, openly disc. all the problems that everyone who is still in have. Very likely those who are still in will find this site because they are aware of their problems, and when they find a “channel” , who really talk to their hart, they will liberate themselves and “come out” in the free world vary rapidly. It´s like the fall of a totalitarian society, like the fall of communism’s. This is my hope anyway.

Welcome all newbies you make my hart jump with joy

Bugbear

18

Are JW:s more sick than others

by Bugbear in

on request from friends thread i would like to tell you my story.

the subject from friends thread was simply : are jw,s more negative or more disordered than normal people?.

i was 10 15 years ago an elder.

Bugbear

I also think there is another factor. The society wants us to be very very busy, and invent knew ideas every day to keep us busy with their thoughts, so that we dont have the time to think of anything else. we are just trapped in the societys set-up and that make us unable to think for ourselves. This is why the societys hate the idea of education.

If you go to school, there is a big chance that you might take up some new ideas and facts. Facts that the society does´t want to be spred. That is why the members in the cong. are to be shunning every memers of the cong. who would like to share new facts the she or he has aquired. I just come to think of the words of Paul, philosofers are to be shunned? The words Philosofers in original greek means "someone who loves the thrut"

Bugbear

18

Are JW:s more sick than others

by Bugbear in

on request from friends thread i would like to tell you my story.

the subject from friends thread was simply : are jw,s more negative or more disordered than normal people?.

i was 10 15 years ago an elder.

Bugbear

Interesting thread.

We have often discussed wheatear JW.s are sicker than others. In my experience this is a fact. In private small investigations there is a ratio to out of 100 “normal” persons maybe 15% have some sort of dysfunction. In the JW.s congs I have been into more than 50% were “out of order”. Why is that so?

Is it so perhaps, that people with problems are attracted to the teachings of the GB. All about the new Kingdom when everyone will be healthy, no thief’s, no murderer, no deaths a.s.f. and therefore they just want to believe all the crap from the society.

Or, is it maybe so that people with less brain capacity (low IQ), are unable to understand the problems and the arguments that emerges when you accept WT teachings. And then they are sort of brainwashed, and are unable to find their way out from the brain trap that WT have set up for them.

Or is it just the “social factor” that the congs. Provide for the “lonely people”

I would like your theories about wich factor is most important.

Bugbear