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Down and Out

by donkey in

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what does it take to take on life head to head?.

why does one sometimes feel so sad, so lonely better off dead.

i feel like i have a hole through the middle of my heart.

donkey

A green dress still haunts my mind Her soul as deep as you’ll find A protective cocoon spun from the fires of hell Protects her heart, someone I thought I knew so well

But now she’s gone…disappeared a few days ago I keep telling myself to believe it’s just not so Questions, soul searching, emotions run high Where have you gone to? Please just tell me why…

Why life is a snare, a hunters cruel vice Baby, please return…I’ll be here for you way more than twice I can feel you out there, I can touch you from afar Take my heart wherever you are

You and I both know we have to live a day at a time Perhaps I’ll be yours and you’ll be mine Until then cant we try? If not at least tell me why….

I think of you every waking minute I am awake I am unhappy, uncertain…did I make a mistake? None the less without you as my closest friend Its just not worth it…I wish the sadness would end

Perhaps one day you will return to my side Come, hell or high water…be my friend and my guide I pray for you and hope you are feeling alright But it’s time to go now so I bid you...good night

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Down and Out

by donkey in

jw
friends

what does it take to take on life head to head?.

why does one sometimes feel so sad, so lonely better off dead.

i feel like i have a hole through the middle of my heart.

donkey

(((Myself)))....I love that song - thanks.

But the Pretenders also said...Goodbye

I remember holding on to you
All them long and lonely nights I put you through
Some where in there I'm sure I made you cry
But I can't remember if we said good bye

I recalled all them nights down in Mexico
The one place I might never go in my life again
Was I just off somewhere just to hide
But I can't remember if we said good bye

I only miss you every now and then
Like the soft breeze blowin on from the Caribbean
Each November I break down and cry
But I can't remember if we said good bye

I recalled all them nights down in Mexico
the one place I might never go in my life again
Was I just off somewhere just to hide
But I can't remember if we said good bye

Good bye

26

Down and Out

by donkey in

jw
friends

what does it take to take on life head to head?.

why does one sometimes feel so sad, so lonely better off dead.

i feel like i have a hole through the middle of my heart.

What does it take to take on life head to head? Why does one sometimes feel so sad, so lonely – better off dead… I feel like I have a hole through the middle of my heart The pain gets worse the longer we’re apart.

To find happiness…I came to JWD, To find others like you….to feel free To make friends with others I thought would understand Why I feel like a stranger from a foreign land

What do I have to show for it at the end of the day?
I’m leaving….going away My heart in my hand, eyes filled with tears, climbing heaven’s stairs Perhaps one day I’ll find someone who cares.

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Clarification sought

by donkey in

ok...as you know donkey's are dumb and i am no exception.. i am thinking about 1975 and how jw's got into that mess.. according to the calculated chronology at the time jw's thought that 1975 would be the end of the 6000th year of man's creation (also coinciding with the advent of armageddon).

is that correct?.

did they claim that there would be 1000 years of earthly rule to conclude the 7th creation day (god's rest day)?

donkey

Where I am going with this whole line (if my ASSumptions are correct based on my deliberately suppressed memories of the WT doctrines) is here:

If the millenial reign was to coincide with the last 1000 years of the 7th creative day (ya know the 1000 years before Jesus hands back the kingdom to Jehovah - think thats spoken of somewhere 1 Corinthian chapter 15 if memory serves me) then a very important question to ask is if the start of the millenial reign coincides with the big A....when was this all decided by Jehovah? Was it always his plan? Most importantly - this would begin to point to the foreordaining of the fall of man - a very controversial view for a thinking JW.

I am not sure if I have fully grasped this - but it seems rather significant to me. Put it all together and then step back and figure out how God planned it all this way or did he adjust the plan at the end?

I am not disputing the differnetial between Eve's creation and Adam's as Gary has aptly pointed out on the other thread - as a nonconforming atheist I am just looking at the absurdity of the whole thing and wondering how good of a scam this is.....and how cult members can believe such nonsense. It is incredible indeed.

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Clarification sought

by donkey in

ok...as you know donkey's are dumb and i am no exception.. i am thinking about 1975 and how jw's got into that mess.. according to the calculated chronology at the time jw's thought that 1975 would be the end of the 6000th year of man's creation (also coinciding with the advent of armageddon).

is that correct?.

did they claim that there would be 1000 years of earthly rule to conclude the 7th creation day (god's rest day)?

donkey

OK...as you know Donkey's are dumb and I am no exception.

I am thinking about 1975 and how JW's got into that mess.

According to the calculated chronology at the time JW's thought that 1975 would be the end of the 6000th year of man's creation (also coinciding with the advent of Armageddon). Is that correct?

Did they claim that there would be 1000 years of earthly rule to conclude the 7th creation day (God's rest day)? What did they base that on?

When the "end" did not arrive in 1975 they made a change and said "the end of the 6th creation day coincides with the creation of Eve, not Adam" - correct? And they claimed we were now living in the differential between Adam's creation and Eve's creation - is that correct? Do they still teach or believe that?

Did God intend to set the coinciding of Armageddon and the last 1000 years of the 7th creative day from the start?

I never read anything about this any longer.

Jack

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DNA and Man's origin

by D wiltshire in

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i think as time goes on and dna gets understood better and better it will be imposible for fundamental christians to defend thier position against evolution.

kind of like the catholic church going against galileio saying the "earth is not the center of the universe".. "eventually"(maybe not now) to fight against the evidence makes you look very stupid and under heavy mind control.. don't get me wrong i beleive there is a god, and i think he used "gradualism" to create the universe and life, i even feel the first 2 chapter of genesis are discribing a very long drawn out process that took just as evolutionist are telling us, billions of years till finally man appears.. eventually the wt is going to have to change its understanding of genesis to even stay credible..

donkey

For those who believe God used evolution to "create"/form man - have you considered the issue of consistency you have now set?

For instance:

Jesus - what was he needed for?
Was there Adamic sin?
Is there a Judgement day?
Is there immortality?

How do you reconcile any of those beliefs with evolution?

Jack

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Family says police killed dog for no reason

by Yizuman in

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not a jw story, but nonetheless it made me sick when this came out this week.. yizuman.

donkey

Watching the film, I would have shot the mut too

Sometimes I wonder if it is hard to be a jerk?

Edited by - donkey on 13 January 2003 0:53:6

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The power of belief systems

by donkey in

most of us here have been jw's.

most of us believed it was the truth.

inherent in that is the belief that we would be persecuted and this would be one of the signs that we were the true religion.

donkey

Blades,

Yeah - you know what it feels like then. It is really humbling to realize I was such an idiot. But then you know the saying: Fool me once shame on youl fool me twice shame on me!!

It's tough being a donkey in a human world.

Jack

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Faith vss Knowing

by Satanus in

during my christian phase, i used to listen to steve brown, a presbetyrian preacher on the radio.

he was a cool dude.

he had this saying about faith, 'i know that i know that i know that i know'.

donkey

. Faith is actually only required when you are not sure

One needs to have repeatable, provable, falsifiable rules of evidence before one can even postulate a worthwhile theory. anything short of that is pure speculation - even if someone "knows" it. We allI knew for sure that I Armageddon was coming.

Jack

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Brotherhood of the Wolf

by expatbrit in

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saw brotherhood of the wolf today.

holy smokes!.

it's a french movie set in the 18th century.

donkey

I just finished watching the movie....I honestly thought it was a great movie.

The truths about the mechanisms religion uses to create fear in people and the way it uses populism to control politics is so well depicted in the sub-plots of the movie. The societal inluences of the church stand condemned.

One can only hope the religions of the world reach the same fate as the "brotherhood of the wolf" did. The discovery of the real truth through science will end the grip of fear.

Jack