Posts by core

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How would you tackle the North Korean problem?

by JH in

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if you were the president of the us, would you confront north korea or would you try to make a deal with them to reduce tensions.. north korea warns us: we can produce six atom bombsby rupert cornwell in washington.

16 july 2003 .

the crisis over north korea's nuclear weapons programme deepened yesterday as the north claimed it had made enough plutonium for six atomic bombs, and a former us defence secretary warned that the two countries could be at war by the end of the year.. the latest claim from pyongyang was communicated to the bush administration last week, three months after north korea said it was beginning to reprocess 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods that were under united nations seal until the un inspectors were ejected from the country at the end of 2002.. us intelligence agencies are now trying to determine whether the boast is true or merely another bluff by the reclusive stalinist regime.. either way, the declaration has pushed the us president a step nearer deciding whether to accede to north korea's demand for direct negotiations - and thus drop his previous insistence that he would never bow to "nuclear blackmail" - or to accelerate plans for a military strike against the north's nuclear installations.. that spectre was raised yesterday by william perry, defence secretary under president clinton, when he told the washington post that the bush administration was "losing control" of the situation.. mr perry is a specialist on korea who helped prepare the military action which mr clinton came close to launching against yongbyon and other key north korean sites in 1994. he now fears that the north is not only close to a nuclear test to show the world it is a nuclear power, but also that it could sell a weapon to a terrorist group for use against the us.. "the nuclear programme now under way in north korea poses an imminent danger of nuclear weapons being detonated in american cities," mr perry said, adding that he had reached that conclusion after talks with bush officials in washington, and with senior figures in china and south korea.. china, reckoned to have the greatest leverage over of kim jong il's renegade state, launched a new effort this week to draw the north into regional talks to defuse the crisis, but mr perry told the washington post that as far as he could see, the "diplomatic track is inconsequential" and going nowhere.. the korean crisis has been largely ignored as washington has focused almost exclusively on iraq.

core

Actually

How would you tackle the USA problem ? as they are intent on bulldozing any opposition to their plans for world hegemony and they have a history of aggressive actions - not much different to NK so who is going to take them on or is it OK for the US because they are bigger than anyone else

When will the Isle of Man be seen as part of the Axis of Evil? And be targeted by the USA ?( touch of Irony for non UK readers) IOM is small independent island just offshore to UK with a form of self-government. Who determines what is good - bad right-wrong ?

Incidentally much debate in UK papers over Bullying at school - in the real world the role model for bullying is the US and most world leaders (?) fall at GWs feet so what lesson for youngsters - might is right ????

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What was he doing?

by Ariell in

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for those of you who believe in god, and i know this may sound like a silly question, but what was he doing before he created jesus, the first thing he ever made.

we're talking an eternity here.

zillions upon zillions of years.

core

Well it must have taken some time to come up with the whole JW concept and all the intricate procedures and changes (sorry tacking) that was to happen over the years

Possibly also it took a millenium or two to devise the whole Judicial Committe thing

Another Millenium working out the complex Blood issue - you can have this but you cant have that in / out in / out shake it all about

Another century or two devising the Generation Game (now you understand it - now you dont)

Wonder why he held printing back until the middle ages as it is obvious to us now that the goal was to have a major publishing corporation representing him ????

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MY JC - I AM SO SICK

by rebel in

i have never tried to hurt anyone in my life.

i have always tried to love others from my own childhood upbringing.. i have been treated like a traitor.

everything i said was twisted.

core

It does get better....I know that is trite and easy to say but try and see this as a beginning and not an end

From earlier posts you can see that many people do care about you and want to reach out to help

You will be emotionally / physically drained by your experience so it is not a good time to make drastic decisions or take too much on as you can only take so much. Have some quiet time to yourself

Take a day at a time - remember a JC is not Jesus Christ nor is it Jehovah and they are as disgusted as you are at this mess

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While the Cats Away.......

by core in

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had to miss the barbie due to family commitments.

however - what are you others all doing whilst our revered elder statesman (nearly said elders - sorry) are all away from their screens........?.

with simon, angharad, englishman etc all happily roasting themselves as well as the steak (temperatures are in the 80's f) who is watching the shop and stopping all us children eating all the sweets (or squabbling) ?

core

.well its certainly the weather here for running nekkid....lost the top off the superglue trying to fix back a small but vital body part that got caught in the scissors ..........now having left the loo seat up it fell and is stuck to said part.......... popcorn pan is on fire downstairs......... dog has found superglue tube and has fixed it to his top jaw.........only one thing to do......

............! MUMMY !

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How Can the Society Fight Implosion?

by metatron in

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to many, the watchtower appears monolithic and invunerable, issuing edicts to the.

willingly deceived and hiding behind a phalanx of lawyers.. yet, there is one growing situation that must frighten them.

the sudden implosion of individual's faith .

core

I suppose someone could work out the statistics to show how many new ones are coming along and the drift away by others - what strikes me from this board is that the ones leaving/slipping away/fading now are (as has been said) 10-20-30-40 year service people

At the grassroots in congs the hard line today follows the push of younger 'career elders' as congregations sufffer from the loss of experienced ones (either from dying or fading etc)

The WT will collapse at the local level - not the top - congs will stumble along, get merged, sahrink, become more hard-line and less tolerant with more seeing this and leaving. The GB men and their associated who run the show now will never understand or respond to the grassroots - it is not the way they can think =Theocracy=Top Down - no feedback, no interest in the views of the flock.

No implosion - just a slow withering at the roots with the top completely unaware of the dangers.

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To:The Judicial Commitee of ( the unforgiven elders )

by Blueblades in

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the following is a true account of a sorrowful letter to the body of elders on the judicial commitee of ( congregation must remain nameless to protect the individual who wrote the letter )so, i am calling it ,the judicial commitee of the unforgiven elders.. dear brothers,.

this letter is to inform you of my decision to appeal your decision to disfellowship me.my reasons for requesting this appeal are the following:.

as you are aware,bro.?

core

Sad - I know nothing of the details of this case but can read the signs clearly - JC comprised intolerant elders, possibly led by one strong opinionated individual , forming opinions - making judgements on the basis of hearsay - this person appears to me to show signs of repentance - only reason they DF is if he is a danger to others or not repentant

But its easier to just meet once and DF someone without the apparent courtesy of telling them directly (they told the parents first ??)

How do they sleep at night? When I served on JCs I was ill for days before and after - again - its sad - from the WT point of view this bro is a lost sheep who needs helping - rather than drag him out of the pit he is in they choose to push him further in - Jehovahs name is abused by such people - if Jesus sat on the JC with them he would have called them "serpents, offspring of vipers......" not shepherds

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While the Cats Away.......

by core in

jw
friends

had to miss the barbie due to family commitments.

however - what are you others all doing whilst our revered elder statesman (nearly said elders - sorry) are all away from their screens........?.

with simon, angharad, englishman etc all happily roasting themselves as well as the steak (temperatures are in the 80's f) who is watching the shop and stopping all us children eating all the sweets (or squabbling) ?

core

Had to miss THE barbie due to family commitments

However - what are you others all doing whilst our revered elder statesman (nearly said elders - sorry) are all away from their screens........?

With Simon, Angharad, Englishman etc all happily roasting themselves as well as the steak (temperatures are in the 80's F) who is watching the shop and stopping all us children eating all the sweets (or squabbling) ?

To all at the barbie - have a great time, you deserve a rest, I am sure that everyone else will give you plenty to read when you return to moderating/administering/childminding etc

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Fw: As Bro Sydlick was saying the closing prayer

by NikL in

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friends

i just had to pass this on to you.. it is an e mail that is making the rounds.. what do you think of this.... (beware!

gagging may be expected).

the 41,000 friends at the international convention in michigan .

core

I'm with Hamas - this man should replace Alistair Campbell as Tony Blairs spokesman

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UK Bethel seminar with Secular Authorities re. child abuse.

by caspian in

can any one report if any other branch offices have held seminars with the secualr authorities like london has.. if you were not aware, london bethel held a second seminar last month (2 in 9 months although i can't seem to find the link to my post on the first seminar) with the nspcc, police chiefs, crown court judges and social workers all as a result of the panorama programme, basically asking the question .

what can the society do to protect children within the organization.. the society are putting into place all of the suggestions and advice they were given.. the new set of guidelines well be on the new circuit overseers outlines to bodies of elders for the sept 2003 to feb 2004 outlines.. my question is.

is there any other branches that are meeting with secular authorities and making changes to their policies.?

core

The society are putting into place all of the suggestions and advice they were given

I seriouslly doubt that.D

Does that mean that the 2 witness rule is scrapped in the British Branch?

Are elders to act to inititate criminal proceedings?

Are they going to have a policy of warning parents of 'known' offenders or will they still punish the victims?

Sounds as if they are worried which must be good news

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WTS Addresses Child Abuse - er, kind of...

by iiz2cool in

my wife, who is intent on re-activating herself as a dub since i da'd myself, went to the convention this past weekend.

she showed me this new publication entitled "learn from the great teacher", and placed great emphasis on these two pages i scanned and am posting.

it makes a poor show of telling children what to do when confronted by a child abuser.

core

I'm tired of all the crap in this forum, I'm out of here...

SOJ Did I miss something or did you answer any of the points I and others made ????

Sad how you miss all the points made and merely resort to type - we are all evil in our hearts ???????

Excuse me but try talking to an abused victim who has had the JW 'help' treatment then you will know how courageous they were in getting out of the Org - you

I'm out of here...

yes its easy to run away and avoid the issue - the issue is crystal clear and you have avoided it and ,merely resorted to type - I for one as an evil twisted corrupt individual (in your view) am delighted that im OUT OF THERE