How would you tackle the North Korean problem?

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  • JH
    JH

    If you were the president of the US, would you confront North Korea or would you try to make a deal with them to reduce tensions.

    North Korea warns US: we can produce six atom bombs

    By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

    16 July 2003

    The crisis over North Korea's nuclear weapons programme deepened yesterday as the North claimed it had made enough plutonium for six atomic bombs, and a former US Defence Secretary warned that the two countries could be at war by the end of the year.

    The latest claim from Pyongyang was communicated to the Bush administration last week, three months after North Korea said it was beginning to reprocess 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods that were under United Nations seal until the UN inspectors were ejected from the country at the end of 2002.

    US intelligence agencies are now trying to determine whether the boast is true or merely another bluff by the reclusive Stalinist regime.

    Either way, the declaration has pushed the US President a step nearer deciding whether to accede to North Korea's demand for direct negotiations - and thus drop his previous insistence that he would never bow to "nuclear blackmail" - or to accelerate plans for a military strike against the North's nuclear installations.

    That spectre was raised yesterday by William Perry, Defence Secretary under President Clinton, when he told The Washington Post that the Bush administration was "losing control" of the situation.

    Mr Perry is a specialist on Korea who helped prepare the military action which Mr Clinton came close to launching against Yongbyon and other key North Korean sites in 1994. He now fears that the North is not only close to a nuclear test to show the world it is a nuclear power, but also that it could sell a weapon to a terrorist group for use against the US.

    "The nuclear programme now under way in North Korea poses an imminent danger of nuclear weapons being detonated in American cities," Mr Perry said, adding that he had reached that conclusion after talks with Bush officials in Washington, and with senior figures in China and South Korea.

    China, reckoned to have the greatest leverage over of Kim Jong Il's renegade state, launched a new effort this week to draw the North into regional talks to defuse the crisis, but Mr Perry told The Washington Post that as far as he could see, the "diplomatic track is inconsequential" and going nowhere.

    The Korean crisis has been largely ignored as Washington has focused almost exclusively on Iraq. The public line is that the US wants a diplomatic solution, and that the multilateral approach is working. But Mr Bush has refused the close engagement sought by the North, which has in response edged closer to the nuclear brink.

    Mr Perry said with uncharacteristic bluntness: "The reason we don't have a policy on this and aren't negotiating is the President himself. I think he has come to the conclusion that Kim Jong Il is evil and loathsome and that it is immoral to negotiate with him."

    The CIA has long suspected that North Korea had one or two nuclear devices, using plutonium produced before the 1994 crisis. But last autumn North Korea stunned the US by announcing, that in addition to the plutonium-based programme frozen under the deal that year with Washington, it was conducting a parallel nuclear programme, based on enriched plutonium technology.

    A few weeks later the UN inspectors were thrown out. Washington is now desperately trying to establish whether Pyongyang's latest boasts are true but thus far, intelligence agencies have been unable to deliver a clear answer.

    Recent atmospheric tests for a gas that is normally given off when used fuel rods are reprocessed into plutonium, indicate that work has intensified. But they do not prove conclusively that North Korea has weapons grade plutonium to build new bombs.

    The best course, says Mr Perry, is "coercive diplomacy" whereby "you have to offer something, but you have to have an iron fist behind your offer." For the moment however, Mr Bush seems unwilling to offer anything at all.

    16 July 2003 19:07

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  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    US and Russia get "the bomb". Result: Military stalemate. Neither country invaded the other.

    India and Pakistan get "the bomb". Result: Military stalemate. Neither country invaded the other.

    Every other country that has "the bomb". Result: Military stalemate. None of the countries invaded the other.

    My opinion... history has shown that nuclear weapon scare countries into being peaceful... basically they accomplished what no god ever accomplished. God fearing people still hurt each other... but give them nuclear weapons and now they have the fear of The Bomb in them.

    Nothing makes peace like mutually assured destruction.

    *** Running for cover from everyone because I don't have The Bomb ***

  • ISP
    ISP

    The US would be wise to keep well away. The NK's are armed to the teeth, heavily fortified in tunnels etc. They have a massive army that is well trained and the best equipment for their terrain. On the outset of hostilities NK would walk through the DMZ , having wiped out all US bases there. The US would suffer massive casualties. Iraq was easy, NK would be a nightmare. The US best seek a diplomatic solution.

    ISP

  • D8TA
    D8TA
    The crisis over North Korea's nuclear weapons programme deepened yesterday as the North claimed it had made enough plutonium for six atomic bombs

    OMG...6!!! As opposed to how many fricken dirty bombs in this world held by extremists? I'm quaking in fear. Let Georgie and (I drink to much) Rumsfield handle it....which means more death to people who are either brown or yellow.

    US intelligence agencies are now trying to determine whether the boast is true or merely another bluff by the reclusive Stalinist regime.

    Oh oh, there's that line again: U.S. intlligence. This article has it's own funny. Again, unconfirmed information as to a "boast" made by a taunting "dictatorship" that doesn't want McDonald's in their land.

    Either way, the declaration has pushed the US President a step nearer deciding whether to accede to North Korea's demand for direct negotiations - and thus drop his previous insistence that he would never bow to "nuclear blackmail" - or to accelerate plans for a military strike against the North's nuclear installations.

    I'm going to take a guess here: I predict (using the force) a....uh.....MILITARY STRIKE in the near future.

    That spectre was raised yesterday by William Perry, Defence Secretary under President Clinton, when he told The Washington Post that the Bush administration was "losing control" of the situation.

    Oh oh, when Bush "loses control"....we know what happens next, don't we kiddies? Yep...more brown or yellow people who don't play ball with the U.S. are going to be accused of being "evil rogue nations". More bombs and bullets.

    "The nuclear programme now under way in North Korea poses an imminent danger of nuclear weapons being detonated in American cities," Mr Perry said, adding that he had reached that conclusion after talks with Bush officials in Washington, and with senior figures in China and South Korea.

    Exactly. Especially after the U.S. experience with Iraq and it's WoMD being "detonated in American cities". * snort snort *

    He now fears that the North is not only close to a nuclear test to show the world it is a nuclear power, but also that it could sell a weapon to a terrorist group for use against the US.

    Yes, exactly...especially with countries like...China and India that sell them too. God damn it, don't you know that it's ONLY the U.S.'s job on this planet to sell and control weapon sales!!! It's called "capitalism". Where's my Monopoly board...I miss playing the game.

    China, reckoned to have the greatest leverage over of Kim Jong Il's renegade state...

    "China RECKONED"???? What the hell? The entire population of China has now initiated a Texas accent and usage or words????

    The CIA has long suspected that North Korea had one or two nuclear devices...

    And I suspect that the CIA is once again....in error. Like the time when it completey missed well-known islamnic extremists enter the country, take aviation classes while being observed, and completey dropping the ball (in concert with other agencies) when such said "extremists and terrorists" flew airplanes in to a few buildings. This is an agency with a very trustworthy reputation and excellent record...*cough* (JFK...JFK...JFK).

    Recent atmospheric tests for a gas that is normally given off when used fuel rods ...

    Or in my case...I test my gas with a bic lighter...

    The best course, says Mr Perry, is "coercive diplomacy" whereby "you have to offer something, but you have to have an iron fist behind your offer." For the moment however, Mr Bush seems unwilling to offer anything at all.

    Yes, the solution. I'm sure the Emperor...I mean George Bush Jr. is going to seduce Luke Skywalker...uh er...I mean offer Kim Jong an ultimatium...I mean...OPTION: "Either suck our...Uh...do things the AMERICAN way or will screw you in the...I mean, er...bomb the crap out of your country".

    My Solution: There is none. North Korea with develope or want to develope weapons regardless. Much like the U.S. who has them, in a time of crissis there is potential the N. Korea will use and or sell them. But then again? Who has been selling weapons to the world (yes even those capable of MD) and has used such in the past? Yep...I thought so.

    It's about WHO controls the arms market, and right now...that's the U.S. They don't want small countries entering the market. That's for China and the U.S. to control right now.

  • smurfette
    smurfette

    The Korean war was not an easy one. Go to war with NK now that it has nuke capabilities? Fahgitaboutit! Even without nukes they would be a formidable foe. I personally think diplomacy is the only solution and agree we're at a stalemate. I just hope the hawks in Washington hold the same view.

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    Of course if I were president, I would surround myself with the best advisors possible and listen to all of the arguments they would offer.

    My inclination right now, would be to make no deals, Clinton made a deal with them and they ignored it while they proceeded to keep building the nuclear program.

    If they are a threat to the world right now, they will be 10 times more of a threat in a few years.

    I think I would consider evacuating South Korea, maybe 50 - 100 miles from the DMZ, if possible, move in our best military equipment and available troops, then strike all of their nuclear facilities.

    Borgfree

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Just keep bribing them with food and fuel. Get our troops out of the DMZ and to safety in other Pacific military bases. Then aim as much airpower as we can at them and neutralize their atomic capabilities.

  • IronGland
    IronGland

    Round the clock carpet bombing. With B52s. Not really. But that would be interesting to see. 1000-1500 plane raids in box formation like with the b-29s in ww2. Supposedly they have lots of artillery along the DMZ that can hit seoul, but it would be hard to fire the artillery when blood is pouring out of their ears and eyes from the concussion. They would surrender after 3-4 days of this:

  • ISP
    ISP

    Borgfree, easier said than done. NK's arsenal is well hidden, some underground, some in caves. Nothing easy about it. Also the US pre-emptive disposition is now well known. I wouldn't expect the NKs to sit around and let you evacuate and configure your armaments. They would act pre-emptively with WMD. Its definitely an unwinnable situation. NK is one of countries you leave alone. If they have stuff thats bad, its too late now.

    ISP

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    ISP,

    I wouldn't expect the NKs to sit around and let you evacuate and configure your armaments. They would act pre-emptively with WMD. Its definitely an unwinnable situation.

    You might be right, but, we have 8000 nuclear tipped missiles which can reach anyplace on earth, that might cause a little fear in North Korea. North Korea seems to be led by men who would like to expand their tyranny as far as possible, it probably will not get better by just appeasing them.

    I do not think we have the option of leaving them alone.

    It may not be too late now, but it definitely will be too late soon.

    Borgfree

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