Posts by Oubliette

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Would you convert to a religion for love?

by new hope and happiness in

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i am sure people convery to a religion to find peace and spiritual awakening.

i also bet many convert simply for love.

would you to assist " true love" if it required converting to a particular faith?.

Using the "C-Word" With My Wife

by breakfast of champions in

months ago, i commented on another thread about a strategy i was using to introduce my wife to the way cults work--without using the word "cult" and scaring her away.

here's my first comment on that thread:.

i pulled hassan's bite model off the internet and imported it into my word processor.

Oubliette

BOC: Yes, she does "study" but increasingly finds the study articles to be all about control and obedience rather than love or being a Christian.

Yee-haw!

This is awesome.

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Reading the Watchtower and Awake! is like getting a college education!

by kairos in

anybody remember hearing this?.

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is that comment in print anywhere?.

Oubliette

“The result was that I scored one of the highest grades. The test grade needed to obtain the diploma is 35, which is the average score. I scored in the 55 range, or 4th year college level.

Blondie, that's a great quote!

So typical of WT "logic."

They have a single, solitary example of some unnamed JDub that apparently did well on an unspecified test of questionable reliability and we're supposed to believe that anyone that is an "avid reader" of WT publications will get the same results.

That is just sofa king stew pit I can even begin to explain how dumb it is.

Even if it's true, which I highly doubt (the WT has a long history of fabricating such "experiences"), there are just so many reasons that it doesn't prove anything.

Where was this?
What were the credentials of the teacher?
What were the rigor and standards upon which this test were designed?
Is the test recognized by the state and/or whatever governmental agencey is responsible for issuing valid high school diplomas in this unnamed locale?
What is the native intelligence of the person that allegedly had this experience? Maybe he's just really intelligent even though he never got past 9th grade. Hey, it happens.
Would we get the same results if we conducted a double-blind repetition of this with a statistically relevant sampling of congregations worldwide?

I am a credentialed High School teacher in the United States. I have multiple degrees and am authorized to teach mathematics, music and science at the secondary level. I am currently working on a Master's degree in Education. I have taught every grade level from 1st - 12th grade. I currently teach at the High School level. This is my 8th years teaching at the secondarly level. I teach at one of the highest scoring schools in my state (API).

I was also a JW for nearly 30 years. I was an elder for two decades and served as the Theocratic Ministry School Overseer for about 15 of those years.

My professional opinion is this: There's no fucking way that reading the Watchtower and Awake! for four centuries, let alone four years, would be equivalent to any legitimate degree from a college and/or university. That's just bullshit!

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Would you convert to a religion for love?

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

i am sure people convery to a religion to find peace and spiritual awakening.

i also bet many convert simply for love.

would you to assist " true love" if it required converting to a particular faith?.

Oubliette

NFW

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New Article on BEARDS and Attire of Jehovah's Witnesses

by jwfacts in

i have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.

it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.

i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.

Oubliette

dozy, Dress and Grooming – Those giving talks should wear suits. If your talk calls for an interview or a demonstration,please do not use any brother who wears a beard

What is the source of this direction. My guess would be a CO or DO's letter. This doesn't sound like something straight from the WTBTS.

Do you have a copy of the original you could post?

Thanks,

Oubliette

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Reading the Watchtower and Awake! is like getting a college education!

by kairos in

anybody remember hearing this?.

--.

is that comment in print anywhere?.

Oubliette

The WTBTS leadership learned a long time ago that they can get their followers to believe all kinds of nonsense by simply saying it.

They tell them:

You are ministers
Bibles scholars
Counselors and spiritual shepherds
We are the happiest people on Earth

and a lot of other nonsense.

The R&F eat it up. Why? Because they want to believe it.

Simply saying something doesn't make it so.

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― Adolf Hitler

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Reading the Watchtower and Awake! is like getting a college education!

by kairos in

anybody remember hearing this?.

--.

is that comment in print anywhere?.

Oubliette

OTWO, Now it's more of a certificate from an online college.

You might want to rethink dissing online programs. There are many highly reputable institutions of higher education offering distance learning and online programs.

It's the way of the future and it's here now.

Here's a short list of quality places you can get an online education:

Indiana University-Purdue University
University of Southern California
Boston University
Virginia Tech
Central Michigan University
Seton Hill University
Pennsylvania State University
University of Wisconsin—Madison
Northern Illinois University
University of Massachusetts—Amherst
George Washington University

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THE CULT STRIKES AGAIN!!!

by DATA-DOG in

it's amazing what you perceive, once you know ttatt.

today's wt mind-control session was an amazing example of cult mind control techniques in action!!

the program was about hearing jeehoobies voice!

Oubliette

Data-dog, I gotta' say, after reading your posts here for the last couple of years I really noticed a dramatic improvement in your analytical skills! Nice thread, thanks for starting it. I may actually read the article now just to see how the WT writers are still masters of manipulation and propaganda

Well done!!!

"Children must be taught how to think, not what to think." - Margaret Mead

Let's review: It's a cult!

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Mental Disorders among JW's

by Blackfalcon98 in

hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.

do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.

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Oubliette

Blondie, So are you a psychologist or psychiatrist qualified to diagnose people without even having a professional appointment with them?

I have to disagree. A person does not necessarily need to be a psychiatrist or a psychologist to be able to see that people have mental health issues.

A person would need appropriate education and training to be qualified to DIAGNOSE CAUSES and/or PRESCRIBE TREATMENTS, but not to simply notice the symptoms if they are fairly obvious.

According to the National Institute of Mental Health, in a 2012 report Any Mental Illness (AMI) Among Adults, "Mental illnesses are common in the United States":

"In 2012, there were an estimated 43.7 million adults aged 18 or older in the U.S. with AMI in the past year. This represented 18.6 percent of all U.S. adults."

NIMH Data

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18.6 percent! Wow, that's very nearly 1-in-5. That would suggest that the average congregation of 60 - 120 publisher would have between 12 to 24 people with mental health issues.

It has been suggested that there are at least two reasons why JWs would actually have a higher than average occurance of mental health issues than the general population:

Groups like JWs tend to attract people that already have underlying mental health issues
The high-control, authoritarian nature of the cult can cause otherwise healthy individuals to develop mental health problems which likely never would have occurred had they not been exposed to a "crazy-making" belief system.

Unfortunately, very little hard-core scientific research has been done to corraborate this oft-observed anecdotal evidence.

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My anointed mother sleep over!! She hears demon creaking at night and my wife cheats on me!

by Witness 007 in

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visiting her "lost son" and this morning she says there was demonic "knocking" on the windows and ceiling and she did not sleep.

my wife has her own buisness and works late so her holiness asked me to drive down to see if she was fornicating with anyone....she thinks two worldly people taking an elevator to the 10 floor would have had sex by the 5th floor....thats the quality of anionted alive today...she is not nuts a well respected pioneer nazi..... .

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Oubliette

BOC, please tell me this is not a recent story!?!