ok so aparently there was this young girl who wanted to study with the jw's because she loved the bible so much.
she asked her fathers permission but he refused, after much nagging though he said she could have a study if she was prepared to have one of her fingers chopped off.
he thought the is would stop her but she was willing so he got a knife and cut off one of her fingers... a little while later she wanted to attend the meetings and he said no and again when nagged said she could attend meetings if she had another finger chopped off so she agreed and he chopped off a second finger.
purrpurr: OK so aparently there was this young girl ...
I've heard this bullshit story for years. There is absolutely no proof it is true.
Like so many WT/JW "stories" they are always 3rd+ hand. No one ever saw it first hand.
It's really not much different from stories that start, "Once upon a time ..."
What kind of father would mutilate his daughter like this? What kind of religion would tell a messed up story like this as if it proved anything good?
Let's review: It's a cult!
my wife and i are finally free of this horrible cult we will be leaving the south east for the north western part of the us to start anew!!!
our friends and family have no idea of our new beliefs and feelings on the cult so it should be a nice clean break!
hope to connect with some in that area pm me if you'd like.. .
Congratulations and welcome to the rest of your life!
hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Enzo: And by the way if my post are incomprehensible for you, than it is not a great efford, to ask for more clarification
You have a long history of not answering direct questions. This goes back to the thread you started about Steven Hassan.
Enzo: you are from the same category of Cedars.. like to criticize, but don't like to be criticised
Uh, what are you doing right now? And what's with the comparison to Cedars? He hasn't posted here in like a year and you only just joined less than 2 months ago. Comments like that are why some people here think you're a troll.
Enzo: when manipulated information is presented...and that's the case of your opinions presented here about Religion being the dominant factor why JW's has PD's..
So which is it? "Manipulated information" or my opinion? And if you believe the information I posted from WHO, the NIMH, the researchers Jacobi Wittchen and Alonso Angermeyer are alll "manipulated," what is your evidence? That's a pretty grand conspiracy theory you're painting there!
Finally, you are completey off your rocker when you make statements misconstruing my words. I never said that religion was the "dominant factor" concerning JWs and mental illness. I still can't figure out if your an annoying troll or just have trouble understanding English.
Also, I never used the term PD or personality disorder. You introduced it into our discussion. I cited the NIMH's date which used the term "any mental illness." They are different. If you don't or can't understand that then further dialog with you is pointless.
i could find another thread so i thought i might add a few comments here - not a full critique though.
"hear jehovah's voice wherever you are".
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140815/hear-jehovahs-voice/.
88JM: Yes - because a night at home spent beating your bongosis so much better than a nice evening out with a good looking workmate who actually might be interested to get to know you personally.
You made me laugh!
Nothin' like beating your bongos to keep you safe from Satan's world.
BTW, the guy's playing a conga.
hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Enzo: Oubliette: your gues was wrong: PS means Psychiatric orders
I had to guess because you didn't say.
You're really a piece of work.
Most of your last post is completely incomprehensible.
Get a clue!
two brothers doing the territory stopped in at my place.
i kept them on the step.
after some hellos and catching up, i said so you folks are on tv now.
WWW: However, my real point is: this summer the GB has given all faders ‘a gift on a silver platter’. An easy to explain, non-doctrinal, impossible- to- disfellowship reason for leaving JW’s. A deep discomfort with the “worldly” direction the organisation is headed
Well said!
I'm gonna' use it!
hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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The WMH surveys are representative community surveys in 28 countries throughout the world aimed at providing information to mental health policy makers about the prevalence, distribution, burden, and unmet need for treatment of common mental disorders.
The first 17 WMH surveys show that mental disorders are commonly occurring in all participating countries. The inter-quartile range (IQR: 25 th –75 th percentiles) of lifetime DSM-IV disorder prevalence estimates (combining anxiety, mood, externalizing, and substance use disorders) is 18.1–36.1%. The IQR of 12-month prevalence estimates is 9.8–19.1%. Prevalence estimates of 12-month Serious Mental Illness (SMI) are 4–6.8% in half the countries, 2.3–3.6% in one-fourth, and 0.8–1.9% in one-fourth. Many mental disorders begin in childhood-adolescence and have significant adverse effects on subsequent role transitions in the WMH data. Adult mental disorders are found to be associated with such high role impairment in the WMH data that available clinical interventions could have positive cost-effectiveness ratios.
Mental disorders are commonly occurring and often seriously impairing in many countries throughout the world. Expansion of treatment could be cost-effective both from both employer and societal perspectives.
hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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For Enzo:
Apparently--and this was surprising to me--Americans are less likely to have any mental illness than their European counterparts.
European population studies
A 2004 cross-European study found that approximately one in four people reported meeting criteria at some point in their life for one of the DSM-IV disorders assessed, which included mood disorders (13.9%), anxiety disorders (13.6%) or alcohol disorder (5.2%). Approximately one in ten met criteria within a 12-month period. Women and younger people of either gender showed more cases of disorder ( Angermeyer, A., 2004)
A 2005 review of 27 studies have found that 27% of adult Europeans is or has been affected by at least one mental disorder in the past 12 months. It was also found that the most frequent disorders were anxiety disorders, depressive, somatoform and substance dependence disorders. ( Wittchen, J., 2005)
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References
Alonso J, Angermeyer MC, Bernert S, et al. (2004). "Prevalence of mental disorders in Europe: results from the European Study of the Epidemiology of Mental Disorders (ESEMeD) project". Acta Psychiatr Scand Suppl 109 (420): 21–7. doi:10.1111/j.1600-0047.2004.00327.x. PMID 15128384
Wittchen HU, Jacobi F (August 2005). "Size and burden of mental disorders in Europe--a critical review and appraisal of 27 studies". Eur Neuropsychopharmacol 15 (4): 357–76. doi:10.1016/j.euroneuro.2005.04.012. PMID 15961293.
hi everyone, im begining to notice patterns of mental issues in the congregations and among the witnesses as a group.
do you think this is a trend in the entire world or is it exagerated in this organization?.
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Enzo: you think that statistics about PD from one nation are sufficcient to the psychiatric world to make such claims about JW's
I think nothing of the kind.
Your ongoing habit of reading things into posts which were neither stated nor implied is frustrating. That being said, I suggest that you refrain from personal attacks and focus on the topic rather than the person when you disagree with something.
I'm guessing by "PD" you mean Personality Disorder. It would be helpful if you don't use abbreviations without first explicitly stating what they mean.
There was nothing in my post about Personality Disorder. I referred to one reliable source concerning the prevalence of Any Mental Illness among adults in the US. Although the religion known as JW has spread internationally, it is originally and still is primarily an American religion.
It would be interesting to see similar data from other countries. If you'd like to find some, that would be appreciated.
why does the society no longer use strong language, such as found in the march 1, 1949 wt, to expose false religion?.
"...for years now the united states government has had a succession of roman catholic men as postmaster general and in control of the post-office department, and about such there can be no doubt that they are agents and representatives of the vatican.
but to date has anyone ever heard of this religionist in office issuing an order forbidding the use of the united states mails for carrying on a racket of collecting money from roman catholics upon the representation that it is for the benefit of their dead.
Because the current leaders are a bunch of wimps without a clue and no clear direction.
None of the GB members are educated. None of them have any real life experience. None have ever had to work for a living. None have raised families.
They are completely fucking clueless, everyone of them.
And: GOD DOES NOT TALK TO THEM!
They may "think" he does, but he does not. This is their central delusion:
If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia. - Thomas Szasz
The WTBTS is being steered by the human equivalent of steers. And that's no bull!
Let's review: It's a cult!
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