Posts by Oubliette

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My Experience In Getting A Loved One Out

by notsurewheretogo in

this is my own experience so i'll share it in that it might help others.

this may not work for others but it seems to be working for me.. .

a little background...i'm happily married and 3 years ago i was an elder and my wife was a pioneer, we have 3 kids.

Oubliette

NSWTG, thanks for your thoughtful response.

I do understand the progressive nature of trying to wake up someone to TTATT.

That being said, please reconsider my statement: "Men teach wrong things and Jehovah (God) has nothing to do with any of it."

There is nothing about this that implies that there is no God, (although this is what I believe), only that God has nothing to do with the WTBTS, its hopelessly misguided and quite probably fraudulent leaders, and the R&F followers who have been scammed.

Best wishes on reaching your wife,

Oubliette

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Best scriptures for countering TOMO III's comment about "inactive ones"??

by DATA-DOG in

what do you say, bible gurus???

a relative asked me what i thought of the zone visit.

i am in the process of gathering my thoughts.

Oubliette

Vidquin: for he that is not against us is for us.

Exactly!

Except Jesus contradicted himself and also said, " Whoever is not on my side is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. " - Matthew 12:30. Expect that as a response.

This is why I maintain: Don't try to use scriptures. The WTBTS has twisted so many of them that no JW can understand what any of them say, they only know what they've be told they "mean."

The burden of proof is always on the individual making an assertion. ToMo promised to use scriptures and publications to back up his statements. He did neither. Why didn't he?

Ask the question, shut up and let the silence have it's affect.

Of course, people that are under the notion that the Bible is "the infallible Word of God" go through excruciating mental gymanistics to "harmonize" these kinds of blatant contradictions, but once a person has disabused themselves of this false notion, it becomes easy to see the Bible for what it really is.

It is a book full of contradictions (among other things).

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Best scriptures for countering TOMO III's comment about "inactive ones"??

by DATA-DOG in

what do you say, bible gurus???

a relative asked me what i thought of the zone visit.

i am in the process of gathering my thoughts.

Oubliette

Why use scriptures? ToMo didn't use any!

Try logic instead: “Whenever you find yourself getting angry about a difference of opinion, be on your guard; you will probably find, on examination, that your belief is going beyond what the evidence warrants.” ― Bertrand Russell

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Armageddon will be here in less than 4 years!

by hoser in

jw
friends

that's the word according to my mil.

mrs hoser is starting a new career and the college and work training will take her four years to complete.

her mom is giving her a hard time telling her that the system will be over before she graduates.

Oubliette

It's 1969 all over again:

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the "last days" in 1914, Jesus foretold: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" - Awake! 1969, May 22 p. 15

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Bill Nye the Science Guy talking evolution on Alan Colmes tomorrow

by wannabefree in

does anybody listen to the alan colmes radio program?.

http://radio.foxnews.com/category/talk/alan-colmes-talk-radio/.

tomorrow bill nye will be a guest.. it is a call-in program.

Oubliette

OK, so Bill Nye is only part of the show. That makes sense. I'll check it out!

Thanks!!!

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Bill Nye the Science Guy talking evolution on Alan Colmes tomorrow

by wannabefree in

does anybody listen to the alan colmes radio program?.

http://radio.foxnews.com/category/talk/alan-colmes-talk-radio/.

tomorrow bill nye will be a guest.. it is a call-in program.

Oubliette

Cool, I'll check it out!

I don't really see the point of talking about JWs though. Bill Nye is all about science. I have never heard him have an axe to grind with any particular religion, as much as I'd like to see him tear apart some arrogant JW that thinks he could debate with him.

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Best scriptures for countering TOMO III's comment about "inactive ones"??

by DATA-DOG in

what do you say, bible gurus???

a relative asked me what i thought of the zone visit.

i am in the process of gathering my thoughts.

Oubliette

I gave you a pick-axe and you want a bone?!?

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My Experience In Getting A Loved One Out

by notsurewheretogo in

this is my own experience so i'll share it in that it might help others.

this may not work for others but it seems to be working for me.. .

a little background...i'm happily married and 3 years ago i was an elder and my wife was a pioneer, we have 3 kids.

Oubliette

notsurewheretogo: So either God is the author and is teaching us wrong things and then corrects it or the men teach wrong things and Jehovah corrects it.

Thanks for your interesting post and congrats on getting your wife to wake up to TTATT. I'm glad your approach is working.

That being said, I have to respectfully disagree with the sentiment of others expressed above: this is NOT great logic.

In the interest of encouraging truly great logic, I am compelled to point out that your argument is a form of false dilemma and is incorrect in both its form and its conclusion.

The truth is in fact an alternative that you seem not to have considered: Men teach wrong things and Jehovah (God) has nothing to do with any of it.(I say this in reference to religion in general and the teachings of the WTBTS in particular).

As to "where should you go," at John 6:68, Peter allegedly said to Jesus, " “Lord, whom shall we go away to? "

It was all about WHO should be followed, a person. It was not about a location or, in the case of the WTBTS, an organization.

I suggest you learn to put away black and white thinking as it is not a sign of a mentally healthy worldview, learn to embrace ambiguity with a flexible mental attitude, love your wife deeply and ENJOY YOUR LIFE free from the manipulation and control of this cult.

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Best scriptures for countering TOMO III's comment about "inactive ones"??

by DATA-DOG in

what do you say, bible gurus???

a relative asked me what i thought of the zone visit.

i am in the process of gathering my thoughts.

Oubliette

The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the person making the assertion. ToMo said he'd use scriptures to back up HIS claims. He did not. Why not?

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Zone Visit feedback, from ones still in??

by Crazyguy in

just wondering if any one has heard from ones still asleep, what their feedback has been and what comments have been made by the rank and file??.

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Oubliette

BA2: The two older JW men (and the ones they spoke with) were a little hot under the collar and insulted by the comments Tony made about parents being responsible for their kids not "doing well" in the Org.

That's because "Tight Pants" Tony is an idiot.

He is an insulting, narrow-minded bigot. That little turd is in major need of a bitch-slap.

I still can't get over the fact that these (self-proclaimed) "spiritual leaders" had the rapt attention of about a million people and they couldn't think of anything more important to discuss that fashion faux pas and vacation destinations.

They have clearly lost the thread.