DD, are you telling me you don't see Honest Abe?
I think you're on drugs! ... lol
Oubliette
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Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!
by DATA-DOG ini just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.
imagine my delight!.
a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.
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Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!
by DATA-DOG ini just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.
imagine my delight!.
a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.
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Oubliette
So what's the subliminal message? God is watching, but doing nothing to alieviate their pain and suffering.
Why not? Because Eve listened to a talking snake that just happened to be telling her the truth. She shared it with Adam and then they had a snack. Bad move guys. It sucks to be made by Jehovah.
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Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!
by DATA-DOG ini just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.
imagine my delight!.
a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.
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Another subliminal picture in the WT!!!!
by DATA-DOG ini just happend to wonder if the current issue had any hidden goodies.
imagine my delight!.
a gold star to the first person to correctly identify the image!.
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Oubliette
I see a face in the branches of the tree above and to the left of the grieving parents and their dead son.
The face looks a little like Abraham Lincoln, but I've been dropping LSD since yesterday so it could just be in my head!
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My day
by Hortensia indecided to spend the day wasting time.
drove down to redding.
on the way i saw the real woody woodpecker -- every time i see one of those red-headed woodpeckers i think of the cartoon character.
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Lassen AND Shasta, they must've been magnificent.
I used to live up in those parts back in the late '70s.
Love NorCal.
Thanks for sharing, Hortensia
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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours
by Cadellin ininteresting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.
i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?
actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.
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Oubliette
Adam may well have understood this “day” to be a 24-hour day.- w2014 9/15, p. 24, para. 7
And he may well not have.
Evidently, it was a series of "overlapping days," nearly 340,000 of them! - Genesis 5:5
Of course, Adam--being unfamiliar with WTBTS's peculiar brand of "theological eisegesis"--would have more than likely understood the word "day" to mean "day," "may well have's" and "evidentlys" aside.
Once again, the WTBTS is engaging in ridiculous, unfounded speculation, this time involving the mind-reading of a person (I'm assuming for the sake of argument that there actually was a literal Adam) that's been dead for over five thousand of years.
It's hard to believe that you could actually lose all of your friends and family members for merely questioning any of this shite!
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WT Study Article Nov. 23, 2014--Adam understood "day" to be 24 hours
by Cadellin ininteresting admission in today's wt: adam may have understood "day" (as in "in the day you eat from it, you will positively die") to be a literal 24-hour period.
i don't think the wt has ever said this before; the usual emphasis is that jah meant it as a figurative day, a day from his standpoint which is 1,000 years (and the article does state that, later).. however, if adam understood god's warning to be carried out in a 24 hour period, and god did nothing to alleviate that, then who did the lying?
actually, regardless of adam's understanding, the question still stands but moving toward an admission of the use of day in that context to be 24-hours only makes the question even more valid.
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Oubliette
... being childless at the time, he would have also believed that only he - not countless future generations - would die for eating the fruit.
He would also have no possible way to contemplate the consequences of his actions on as yet unborn offspring.
It's just plain silly to try to make sense out of nonsense!
ADCMS: It is interesting that JWs will not apply this same standard to their beloved WT/GB as well. Think 1975, generation, etc...a whole lot of "implied"* comments about those subjects from WT.
Bam!
Let's review: It's a cult!
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Some Thoughts on Candace Conti/Oral Argument
by DNCall inthe length of time it has taken from the final briefing to the scheduling of oral argument may be due to a couple of factors.
in california, many of the courts are backed up due to budget cuts, layoffs and furloughs.
some courts are worse than others.
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DNC: Nice analysis and summary.
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Ever notice how JW's can attend a talk or Convention and remember nothing?
by Wasanelder Once inhow many times have you asked a jw who has attended a public talk how the talk was, only to be told it was so great!
yet they cannot remember the title nor any one single point except that the brother was "funny" or was good with illustratiions or some other vauge point?
and conventions weren't far off either.
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It's hard to remember things that aren't memorable.
Decades of brain research reveal we tend to remember things best if they meet at least one of these criteria:
- It makes sense, and/or
- It has a high emotional content, extra points for negative emotions.
The majority of things discussed at the KH and assemblies fail both of these criteria.
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JW Friend was Married this Weekend. Tutto è bene che riesce bene.
by objectivetruth ina close jw friend of mine, got married this weekend.ever since he and i meet (13 years ago) when we were both 18 we've been close and we've experienced different life experiences together.. our qualities, have complemented each other well over the years..he the voice of responsibility and reservedness, & i the voice of spontaneity and passion.i taught him about life and he taught me about perseverance through trial.. i care about justice, he cares about reputation.he is a better person then i will ever be, but so stricken by society.. i always stuck my neck out for him, but our friendship was the thorn in his reputations side.he was on the path to mts, and i was on the path of frivolity.despite all this.. when the 2 of us were together, free from the scrutiny of the outside world he was himself, and he was a great friend.
though naive about much, he always tried to do what he could to be a friend.. i was there when he and his now wife first started dating.. i envisioned him marrying her, and my wife & i spending many enjoyable times with them as a couple.. shortly after they meet my wife & i learned ttatt.. i explained my findings to him as i did with all my friends and family.
he being a person, whom i perceived to have great deal of biblical knowledge, i expected valiant effort coming from him to "help me" see where i had erred.all i got was a email with 3 irrelevant watchtower articles & some even more irrelevant scriptures.. i would have surely been his best man, but instead another mutual jw friend was asked.i am not da'd or df'd but this is the pseudo non-invitation that he sent :.
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Oubliette
As another poster would put it: Let's review: It's a cult!
Yeah DOC, I'm kinda' fond of saying that.
I picked it up from 00DAD and have enjoyed carrying on his tradition.
I was drawn to this thread because my son was married this weekend and I was explicitly NOT INVITED with no clear, understandable explanation. I was hoping that objectivetruth might have been writing about my son. It didn't take too long to see that OT's experience, although similar, is about a completely different person.
A few years back I was disfellowshipped. I'm sure this was hard for my son. I certainly could have handled things better, I admit it. But even in retrospect I would still have resigned as an elder (I just wouldn't have told anyone why), I would have separated from my now ex-wife and I would have told her why, just not all of the TTATT details. During all of this I did everything I could as a DF'd person not living in the same home to maintain a relationship with my son. As it soon became obvious, everything was stacked against me.
Sadly, when my ex and I separated and later divorced she began a long and committed campaign to alienate me from my son. She is a very bitter and angry woman. Her vitriol aided by the social pressure to shun me from the congregation successfully ruined my relationship with my son.
I naively believed my love for my son and his love for me would be stronger than the rules of this manmade religion. I was wrong, very wrong.
I learned that lesson the hard way. It was and continues to be very painful, especially considering I was the one that first taught him these beliefs!
- Apparently I was better at teaching beliefs to his mind than I was at instilling real, unconditional love into his heart.
Since then, I have done everything I could think to reconcile with my son, even going through the humiliating process of getting reinstated, which was all the more difficult because I--as you all know--I think this religion is a cult. I have been reinstated well over a year and, inspite of repeated efforts on my part to reconcile, I have only had one short conversation with my son in that time. It lasted less than 5 minutes.
This religion ruins good people. It's hard to understand why they don't see it, but they don't. It's not about intelligence. It seems to be about a certain kind of humility and personal strength of character.
I keep hoping I'll find a way to reach my son. I won't give up, but it's still very sad. In the meantime, I continue to work on my own spiritual growth and emotional development. I'm glad to say that everything else in my life is really good. I know have a great deal of friends that love me for WHO I am and not WHAT (I PRETEND) TO BELIEVE. I have also managed to repair a few family relationships that were broken and/or strained when I was a JW.
Oh, yeah. One more thing ...
Let's review: It's a cult!
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