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  What are the Core Teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by cultBgone in

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  recently someone asked me to define what core teachings have such a hold on jdubs that they have trouble breaking free.

  trying to single out the driving force that keeps them in the borg, this is what popped into my head:.

  obviously there are lots and lots of wacky things the jdubs teach/believe/pretend to believe.

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  Shirley, you beat me to it!
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  the Wt Study last Weekend

  by thedog1 in

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  2. friends

  i wasn't at the study at the weekend, the reason was family health problems, but even if that had not been the case i wouldn't have been there.

  has anybody else who was there or read the article noticed the unbelievable begging bowl being produced for the pioneers and cos and bethelites, etc?

  maybe this has been commented on already but in effect witnesses are being asked to financially support, not only pioneers, but circuit overseers if they need medical help, and to fill in with dealing with aged parents if missionaries are abroad.

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  Others who serve in foreign lands are assigned to serve at a branch office or to assist with the construction of branch facilities, remote translation offices, Assembly Halls, or Kingdom Halls. Meals, modest housing, and other services are provided. - w2014, 9/15, p. 32, para. 18

  Do you mean like THIS "modest housing" in Wales purchased for £1,000,000 for "remote translation"?

  

  

  

  

  It's very modest, isn't it!

  More lies brought to you by the WTBTS!
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  the Wt Study last Weekend

  by thedog1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wasn't at the study at the weekend, the reason was family health problems, but even if that had not been the case i wouldn't have been there.

  has anybody else who was there or read the article noticed the unbelievable begging bowl being produced for the pioneers and cos and bethelites, etc?

  maybe this has been commented on already but in effect witnesses are being asked to financially support, not only pioneers, but circuit overseers if they need medical help, and to fill in with dealing with aged parents if missionaries are abroad.

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  Those who enter the full-time ministry do so, not to gain financially, but to give—to Jehovah and to others. - w2014, 9/15, p. 32, para. 21

  So why don't the GB members "give" the money they control to others?
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  Is Letts' son a Watchtower lawyer?

  by LogCon in

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  2. scandals

  listed as watchtower attorneys practicing in new york: attorneys at 100 watchtower drive in patterson, ny 12563:.

  philip brumley (home address 131 brimstone road,[ seriously ?

  ] patterson ny 12563 although also given for him in another document was 2891 route 22, patterson, ny 12563-2236; new york attorney registry: 2224871);.

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  Litigating for Jesus, because God needs a lawyer, ..., evidently, he needs a team of them!
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  Wasn't a letter about the NGO situation read at the Hall?

  by Apognophos in

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  2. scandals

  okay, so i've been seeing the occasional comment here and there on the forum that some jws, even elders, do not seem to have heard about the society ever being an ngo.

  am i not remembering accurately?

  back when this scandal happened (2001?

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  I was serving as an elder at that time. We did not get a letter. I found out about this issue independently and--needless to say--was quite shocked. I asked several of my fellow elders, including elders in nearby congregations. Very few of them had heard about it and the few that had wrote it off.

  I kept digging because it bothered me so much. This was in fact that event that led to the beginning of the end for me.
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  One day Circuit Assembly Review !!

  by DATA-DOG in

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  it sucked!!.

  so what's going on in the borg!?

  what have you missed??

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  DD: Money is from a satanic world, backed by satanic government.

  Then what do they want with it? Hypocrites.
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  JW's just like Nazi SS troops?????

  by Crazyguy in

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  is is not true that just like ss troops guarding and operating in a concentration camp jw's would just do whatever they are told?

  ss troops were told to kill jews and most just went along with it without question.

  it scares me to think that most jw's would go along with whatever they're told by their leaders without question..this is one of the reasons why i come here almost every day to see and read posts about whats going on in the religion, so i can be prepared to go save my family from this cult if i need to...

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  Simon: The main difference seems to be that people are motivated to do what they believe to be right. They don't necessarily do evil solely because of deference to authority.

  I didn't get that from the Independent article. My take is that most people will supress their own conscience due to the influence of authority, not because they're evil, but because they want to please whoever is authority.

  The article didn't dispute the facts about the Milgram experiment, just what motivated the majority of people to keep administering (what they believed to be) painful, even lethal, electric shocks.

  Simon: It shows the importance of challenging and debunking bad ideas including the ones people follow because of religion.

  It's important to keep in mind that, in academe, no one establishes a reptuation by agreeing with the status quo.
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  GREAT QUOTES, but filtered to include Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Terry in

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  great quotes viewed with jw's in mind_______________________________________ some people die at 25 and arent buried until 75. benjamin franklin________________________________________________jehovahs witnesses stop growing, improving, learning when they accept the watchtowers misnamed truth.

  lost souls waiting at a bus stop for a bus that never comes; all the great things they could have done, people they could have helped, productive lives they could have led are suffocated by standing there waiting for armageddon to solve every problem for them.___________________________________________________ most people are other people.

  their thoughts are someone elses opinions.

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  Great collection of quotes relevant to JWs and more importantly ex-JWs!

  Thanks!!!
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  JW's just like Nazi SS troops?????

  by Crazyguy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is is not true that just like ss troops guarding and operating in a concentration camp jw's would just do whatever they are told?

  ss troops were told to kill jews and most just went along with it without question.

  it scares me to think that most jw's would go along with whatever they're told by their leaders without question..this is one of the reasons why i come here almost every day to see and read posts about whats going on in the religion, so i can be prepared to go save my family from this cult if i need to...

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  Simon: There is some opinion that the conclusions from the experiments was flawed.

  You're funny. You cite the Milgram experiment, saying it, "showed that even housewives in the US would apply what they believed were lethal levels of electric shock to people they could hear screaming as long as someone in authority told them to."

  Then I post two different videos confirming it and you post a news article contradicting it, saying, "the conclusions from the experiments was [sic] flawed."

  Curious.

  I read the Indepdent article. The gist of it is that now some researcher argue "that the meaning of the experiment has been widely misunderstood." It in no way invalidates WHAT the results of the experiment demonstrated, namely that the majority of "ordinary people will inflict extraordinary harm upon others, if someone in authority gives the orders."

  Rather, these researchers--Professor Alex Haslam (University of Queensland), Professor Stephen Reicher (University of St Andrews), Professor Kathryn Millard (Macquarie University) and Professor Rachel McDonald (University of Kansas)--disagree with the motivation that people have for inflicting pain on others: "Far from being distressed by the experience, the researchers found that most volunteers said they were very happy to have participated," adding, "Far from being distressed by the experience, the researchers found that most volunteers said they were very happy to have participated."

  Apparently, when someone in authority tells us to do bad things to other people, it makes us "happy" to blindly obey.

  I don't see how that's better than Milgram's initial conclusion. Indeed, it maybe far, far worse.
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  Sexually repressed and frustrated Jws....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i wonder how many jws are sexually frustrated due to the repressive views of the org?.

  im sure that there are millions of messed up witnesses who have been severely damaged due to the teachings and guilt that the org places on all members.. now, i'm not encouraging a reckless lifestyle, but i'm sure so many more problems are experienced by witnesses just because of the suppressed and guilt laden attitudes the org has perpetuated!

  they can even be open in their marriages!.

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  stuckinarut2: I wonder how many jws are sexually frustrated due to the repressive views of the org?

  That's easy: All of them.