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  Why must we APPLY for everything?

  by Tech49 in

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  i was thinking about this today, after seeing another thread on the subject of serving in israel, of all places.

  there have been many comments on the recent thread, and the ones a little older, about how utterly ridiculous that premise is.. the bigger question is why do i have to apply?

  permission?

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  It's almost as if these people can't even tie their own shoes without being told to do so.

  "Tight Pants" Tony will be getting to that soon now that he's laid down the law on colored socks and Spanx.
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  What is truth?

  by Heisenberg in

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  well, i have been lurking on this site for several months and i recently decided to join as a member.

  i have made several observations and would like to make a few comments.. first, i am perplexed by the attitude of many on this site that are either former or active (but apostate) jws.

  they seem to have a strong hatred for the wts and also for rank and file jws.

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  Oubliette

  EdenOne, I really appreciate your post #1447.

  It's really nice to see how much you've changed, grown and developed since you first began posting here!

  Well done.
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  Public Speaker Training stifled by wt, it's new 'school' programme.

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the 2015 school setup, discussed this week eliminates the last "school talk" by brothers in favour of 'demonstartions" (a la sisters conversations) of family worship sessions and the like.. is this not a shift away from encouraging bright young ones to hone their (under-estimated) speaker skills ---to.

  now using more of the die-hard, org-bound, --even elders in indoctrination demonstrations?.

  do you see this trend?

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  They have "demonstrations" of how to have "Family Worship"?!?!?

  WTF!!!
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  To all my congregation Elders :

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thank you for coming to my house so often because you were so concerned about me missing so many meetings.. ( actually, the only time you visited was when the circuit and district overseers were in town.

  you really showed them how concerned you were about your sheep.

  i now know that it is more of a duty than a concern.).

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  Oubliette

  SCENE: Chance encounter with a JW while out shopping

  JW, enthusiastically: "Hey, how are you? I've missed you!"

  ME, skeptically: "Really? My phone number hasn't changed ...."

  JW, flustered for a moment, but then attempting a recovery: "Well, the phones work both ways you know!"

  ME: "That's right. They do. I called you last February. Your wife answered the phone. You were 'out in the ministry.' I heard her tell you it was me and I heard you tell her to tell me that you'd call me back. Do you remember?"

  JW, sheepishly: "Um, yeah. I do."

  ME: "So how've you been?"

  JW: "Busy .... "
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  Christmas Beliefs!

  by J-DUBBED in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do jehova wingnuts believe jesus birthday isn't dec 25?

  or do they just plain and simple not believe in any birthday?.

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  Oubliette

  Jesus was almost certainly NOT born on December 25th.

  That being said, the peculiar beliefs of Jehovah's Witness have developed over the last couple of centuries. As different individuals have taken control of the organization over time, they each have made significant changes in doctrines, practices and "beliefs" in order to create a religion in their own image.

  Charles Taze Russell, as misguided as he was, likely actually believed he was discovering (or perhaps "rediscovering") revealed truth. In his time they celebrated Christmas.

  After he died, Joseph Rutherford, who was an opportunist and a bully, drastically altered the religion, again morphing it into his own image. As a lawyer (of questionable credentials) he transformed the religion into the highly legalistic entity it is even to this day.

  From Rutherford's time until now the emphasis has been on being different and unique. The Bible, while omnipresent, has largely been a mere prop to lend credibility to their doctrines and beliefs.

  Oddly, the current Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses has recently made changes that superficially make the religion appear more mainstream. Although they still don't celebrate Christmas and they will disfellowship you for openly criticizing the WT leadership, they now have their very own TV show very much like the 700 Club and a myriad of other televangelists.

  Oh, and they need your money. Lots of it!

  Let's review: It's a cult!

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  That's what's missing from our family

  by dissonance_resolved in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  tonight as i was putting my son to bed, we were looking out his bedroom window from his bed, down upon the neighbors' house across the street.

  they have a beautiful, big sparkly christmas tree in their front window and my son gazed at it and said, "that's what's missing from our family.

  " talk about daggers through the heart!.

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  What your family is REALLY missing is warmth and love. Since hubby's not likely to start taking the lead in that area anytime soon, I suggest you make it your mission to share as much warmth and love in your family as you possibly can.
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  After Mar 15 WT, who NOW is represented by the Wise Virgins??

  by hamsterbait in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it used to be that the master "arrived in 1918" and the virgins put their lamps in order.

  according to the noolite, the arrival is yet future.

  however, the gibbering buddies now insist that the annointed have not fallen asleep, but stayed awake up until now.

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  Quit trying to make sense of nonsense.
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  Men are not looking forward to becoming Elders or Ministerial Servants

  by Hidden-Window in

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  2. friends

  i have noticed an apparently increasing number of men who are not interested in becoming ministerial servants or elders.

  i also know of some that have voluntarily stepped down (which is my case) for no obvious solid reason.. i remember, during my teenage years or even during my twenties, the brothers were always looking forward to being appointed... although many still do, i have noticed there are many others with whom you do not know what the deal is.. since there is no freedom of speech within the organization, we remain in the dark about the motives and desires of everybody else.

  i attend a congregation with only two ministerial servants, while it is full of men who do not seem to be willing to do more.. it is hard to tell exactly what is going on, since honesty is not possible while you are inside, but i am starting to think that more and more are becoming disillusioned.... .

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  DOC: As mentioned above, if a person has no other place to receive affirmation -- job; school; whatever -- the laying of the hands for MS/Elder can give them that feeling of accomplishment that most people yearn.

  Which is yet another reason why the WTBTS discourages higher education. People that are fulfilled in other areas of their life are not as likely to feel the need for a JW title.
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  That's what's missing from our family

  by dissonance_resolved in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  tonight as i was putting my son to bed, we were looking out his bedroom window from his bed, down upon the neighbors' house across the street.

  they have a beautiful, big sparkly christmas tree in their front window and my son gazed at it and said, "that's what's missing from our family.

  " talk about daggers through the heart!.

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  You have a trick situation, to be sure.

  But why does your husband get to have his religion dominate the family when no one else wants it?

  The answer is this: The WT modus operandi is to bully and manipulate. JWs learn to do the same, usually without realizing it.

  It sounds like your husband is not really the "bullying" type but that he is merely parroting JW behavior.

  Consider calling him on his manipulative behavior in a calm and gentle way. Reassure him of your commitment to the family, but assert your right to express your beliefs in your own home.
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  Christmas Eve Afternoon

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, it's christmas eve afternoon here now in the uk.. traditionally a time when all the panic shopping is over, what's done is done, what you've forgotten you've forgotten, time to raise a glass (or two) and relax.. so may i wish all members/readers/posters a very happy xmas, whether you celebrate it or not, and extra 'get up and go' for 2015.. best wishes to all.. .

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  Oubliette

  Merry Christmas, Joe!

  It's only 6am here, so I'll wait until later to raise that glass (or two).