Interesting.
Check out this thread from two years ago, also from the July 15th issue of that year, 2013:
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WT addresses the "rapture" teaching.
by wifibandit inlook at paragraph 15 of the 2015 july 15th study edition pg 18-19.. http://imgur.com/3wparys.
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basically they admit to teaching the rapture (for the anointed remnant), just don't call it that!.
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In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?
by stuckinarut2 inwhat is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?
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Faye: [The WT] use the word 'evidently' whenever there is absolutely NO evidence of what they are trying to prove, but it is based on pure speculation.
This is a very important point.
And yet the average JW will miss this, perhaps assuming that--because it is in the WT--there is some actual evidence, we just don't know what it is.
Most JWs trust the publishers of their literature and so they accept whatever it says uncritically.
I recently taught a unit on the subject of evidence in my high school science classes. We were discussing a broad range of scientific fields. It was very interesting to get feedback from my students on what they thought constituted acceptable evidence.
It was a great discussion. Although not drawing attention to it, I was mindful of the couple of JW students that are in my classes.
It was eye-opening to see how sharp some of these kids can be when they are actively encouraged to think and given the tools to do so.
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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Faye, if it works for you, then do it.
In my experience, which is supported by countless studies about human behavior and psychology, a person has a better chance of persuading someone else to change their mind about something which they strongly believe by starting with lower cost/less controversial subjects.
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Eggs-actly!
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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cofty: If you are correct then websites like JWFacts are a complete waste of time and effort.
That doesn't follow and you know I don't believe JWFacts is a waste of time. There was nothing in my post that remotely implied such a thing.
Paul Grundy's site was very instrumental in my personal journey towards learning about the lies, hypocrisies and false doctrines of the WTBTS. I know many that have left the religion have felt the same way.
This forum serves a similar purpose.
But in all cases, it is only when a person is ready to confront their doubts and ask the hard questions.
In your OP you wrote:
I believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a JW about blood, this is the place we need to begin.
As I said previously, I think you raise some really good points. But this will only work if the particular JW we're trying to reach is ready to hear them.
Also, I think there are much easier subjects to broach the many problems with WT "theology" than this one. It is highly emotional for many people. Also, your arguments--although very strong--are (I believe) far too subtle for the average JW to contemplate.
All that being siad, I applaud your continued efforts to find ways to reason with JWs that are ready for the challenge of realizing their faith is a fraud.
Great thread!
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I had every intention of going to the Memorial last night.......
by dubstepped ini wanted to go and to do it for jehovah and jesus and what they've done for me.
i wanted it to be a personal thing between them and i. i haven't been to a meeting in close to a year, not that anyone notices or cares.
this isn't my first stint away, and nobody would notice or care if i was found dead.
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dubstepped, welcome to the rest of your life!
The clincher was when someone in the hall called to let us know that they were going into a similar business as us and that if we had some extra work we could give it to them.
That is so stupid!
Imagine this paraphrase: "I'm going into a similar business as you. If you have some extra MONEY, you could give it to me."
What rude, greedy, insensitive little twits.
Your right: "F-f-f-f fuck em all"!
Let's review: It's a cult!
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Oregon, Hillsboro Tribune, Article: Jehovah's Witness sex abuse case in feds' hands
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.pamplinmedia.com/ht/117-hillsboro-tribune-news/255785-125363-jehovahs-witness-sex-abuse-case-in-feds-hands.
lawsuit seeks $10.5 million from hillsboro church, watchtower society .
attorneys for a 40-year-old woman and a 38-year-old man who say they were sexually abused nearly 30 years ago by a church elder in hillsboro want to have a lawsuit filed by the pair last fall placed back in state court jurisdiction.
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Wow, this is really blowing up on them!
Thanks for sharing Barbara.
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Well...I blew it
by Garrett in(follow up to my last post).
i let it rip.
i can't take stupidity from people i thought were capable of using their brain.
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HER: the org isn't perfect, but that jehovah sees everything and that she's sad that I want to leave jehovah.
Glad you cooled down.
Ask her why she doesn't make the same allowances/excuses for every other religion on Earth!
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In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?
by stuckinarut2 inwhat is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?
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Rattigan: I think that you all need to learn what JWs believe before you criticize.
We know what they believe. We use to be Witnesses.
We also know what they believed before they believed what they believe now and what they believed before that and before that.
You are evidently unfamiliar with the history of JWs and the many, many doctrinal changes this religion has had.
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In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?
by stuckinarut2 inwhat is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?
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I've heard from multiple sources that a large and growing number of "still-in" (or at least still attending) JWs are outraged at the recent Caleb and Sophia video with the message: Pay attention at meetings or God will have to kill you!
As they should ....