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  Questions that were never answered for me

  by WasOnceBlind in

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  i have always been a very rational and thoughtful person.

  there where always questions i had growing up regarding things i was taught.

  of course asking questions while being a jw is a big no no!

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  Millie: I always wondered why Jesus dying was such a big deal. He was only dead 3 days and he KNEW his Father would resurrect him, so why was it so HUGE?

  Jesus took one for the team!

  
  
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  ...Which Way is the Cat Going?!...

  by OUTLAW in

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  i found this on yahoo news... while it doesn`t raise an important question... it raises an interesting question... .

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  I'm changing my mind from DOWN to UP:

  
  

  The cat is most definitely up: CATSUP!

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  ...Which Way is the Cat Going?!...

  by OUTLAW in

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  i found this on yahoo news... while it doesn`t raise an important question... it raises an interesting question... .

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  Is it Cat's up or Ketchup?

  
  
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  NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  thanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.

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  Stuck: I left my tablet open at the hall on my "books and publications" tab while doing microphones....

  Are you TRYING to get caught?
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  ...Which Way is the Cat Going?!...

  by OUTLAW in

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  i found this on yahoo news... while it doesn`t raise an important question... it raises an interesting question... .

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  I think DOWN.

  We are seeing the riser of each stair step with the front edge ("nose") of the tread.

  
  
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  Questions that were never answered for me

  by WasOnceBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have always been a very rational and thoughtful person.

  there where always questions i had growing up regarding things i was taught.

  of course asking questions while being a jw is a big no no!

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  Millie
  
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  Questions that were never answered for me

  by WasOnceBlind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have always been a very rational and thoughtful person.

  there where always questions i had growing up regarding things i was taught.

  of course asking questions while being a jw is a big no no!

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  WOB: Why are we not allowed to have beards?

  Here's a thread on that you might like from one of my favorite posters:

  BEARDS: Why JW men don't have them
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  Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

  one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

  if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

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  Moomanchu, I too am sorry for your loss!

  This world is filled with too many instances of lives destroyed by this destructive cult.
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  WT addresses the "rapture" teaching.

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  look at paragraph 15 of the 2015 july 15th study edition pg 18-19.. http://imgur.com/3wparys.

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  basically they admit to teaching the rapture (for the anointed remnant), just don't call it that!.

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  Blondie: Oubliette, the WTS teaches that they have to die physically first and be resurrected as a spirit creature

  I don't agree with this. The WT is deliberately and noticeably evasive on exactly how this happens, which is not surprising because frankly it's a bunch of "theological" mumbo-jumbo.

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  So those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” ... Therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.- The Watchtower, July 15, 2015, page 19, paragraph 15 - [Emphasis added]
  

  The footnote for the first sentence quoted above reads: "The fleshly bodies of the anointed alive at that time will not be taken to heaven. (1 Cor. 15:48, 49) Their bodies will likely be disposed of in the same manner that Jesus’ body was removed."

  Notice the use of the typical WT weasel word "likely" in reference to what happens to their body.

  I'm not trying to debate what these words mean because there's no point in that. I also understand that, even among the churches that openly teach "The Rapture" doctrine, there is not monolithic agreement about what it means or how it will or will not happen.

  My point is that not all churches that teach "The Rapture" believe that a physical body will go to heaven. It is intellectually and academically dishonest on the part of the WT writers to state that they do. That being said, there is no significant difference between what the WT currently (as of 7/15/15) teaches on this subject and many other Christian churches.
  

  I firmly believe that the ONLY REASON they explicitly deny that this teaching is the same as what many other churches teach is a lame effort to differentiate themselves. Also, to acknowledge the similarities of belief would be tacit admission that other churches correctly understood this doctrine long before the WT leaders. That would make them look bad and we all know they never will stand for that.

  Let's review: It's a cult!
  
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  Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...

  by Stumpy in

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  2. friends

  i've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.

  you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!

  what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.

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  Ding: The elders I know personally seem to have been selected based on their willingness to swallow whatever the organization tells them and on their ability to forget all about teachings and practices they used to push

  I knew many elder like that, but there are also a lot of good men in this organization (women too, but obviously they can't be elders) that mean well.

  I also know that once you become an elder you become privy to a lot more of the dirt behind the scenes. If you're the first kind of elder you described, you just "swallow" it all down. But if you're the second kind, you say, "What the fuck! I'm in a cult!"