i have thought about how ttatt came full circle for me.
how the connecting the dots was simple and just made sense,.
how silos of information are literally at our fingertips today.. why is it that the ones we love cannot get ttatt?.
OEJ: They do claim to be lovers of truth, though. Which makes it all the more curious that they have such an aversion to it.
I believe that, deep down, most JWs know what they might find if they gave their faith the same critical analysis they ask of others. The cost is too high for most of them.
So they sacrifice their personal integrity and identity on the altar of belonging.
i had a discussion with a current jw member of +- 30 years, we got chatting about how you can be sure your faith is right and what checks can be done.
i then suggested looking at ex members view points and literature.
her response was her "i am not someone who takes initiative to look online at stuff, i doesn't feel my personality needs me look at outside view points" in summary she was saying her personality type is not interested in looking at other views.
Funny, they pound on stranger's doors wanting THEM to question their faith/beliefs, et cetera, but the average JW will absolutely NOT do the same thing themselves.
stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
Viviane: I don't presume or pretend anything (except when it's role playing/dress up night
Now THIS is the most interesting thing posted on this thread in the last 8 pages!!!
stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
That definition comes from an official page on atheism.
stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
That definition comes from an official page on atheism.
Um, who appointed the owner of that website as the final authority on what "atheism" is and what all atheists believe.
Just because Austin Cline writes what he thinks an atheist is or isn't, hardly settles the issue for all time.
today's watchtower study article is all about jesus.
this stuck out to me after a year of hanging out on here where one frequent point of criticism is that jws claim to be christians but never talk about jesus.. anyone think it's a coincidence that today was the "special talk" follow-up to the memorial?
i think not - this is the most attended sunday meeting of the year, complete with many ubms, studies, and miscellaneous other potential victims who have been subjected to a coordinated effort to pressure them into attending.
OEJ: It quickly got to the point that there was no challenge to it and I got bored.
Shooting fish in a barrel.
stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
Xanthippe: No Oub both statements are about belief, neither are about knowledge. Sorry, going to watch Horizon now- astronomy programme.
I guess you missed my point about neither statement needing to be true or accurate.
Enjoy your tv show!
stemming from the 'absentheism' thread, an old question came to my mind.
what exactly is "belief"?.
is it the same to ask: "do you believe in god?
Xanthippe: I think they are the same statement grammatically and semantically.
How can you think that?
One explicitly asserts possessing knowledge whereas the other states not having that knowledge.
I suggest you reread my analogy of the murder trial.
Saying you believe someone is innocent of a crime is NOT the same as saying you do not believe they are guilty. (Note that neither of these beliefs need be correct. The person might actually be guilty, but this is irrelevant to the point I am making).
One person is convinced of the accused person's innocence, the other is unconvinced of his guilt.
today's watchtower study article is all about jesus.
this stuck out to me after a year of hanging out on here where one frequent point of criticism is that jws claim to be christians but never talk about jesus.. anyone think it's a coincidence that today was the "special talk" follow-up to the memorial?
i think not - this is the most attended sunday meeting of the year, complete with many ubms, studies, and miscellaneous other potential victims who have been subjected to a coordinated effort to pressure them into attending.
OEJ: it took me a while after waking up to realize the level of deceptive recruiting that goes on, and I'm obviously still noticing new layers to it all the time.
Good for you!
As I was "waking up" I committed to really studying every WT "Study Article" intensely, scrutinizing it as carefully as possible, looking for any and all instances of logical fallacies, assertions made without evidence, contradictions and dishonest/misleading statements. I did this religiously for almost two years.
This exercise was eye-opening to say the least.
I found that every single WT study article is an exercise in propaganda. In that two year period, I was not able to find a single solitary article that was not rife with propaganda, lies, fallacies and deceptions. Not one.
Let's review: It's a cult!
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