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  Passive aggressive circuit overseer talk

  by hoser in

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  i went and listened to the circuit overseer talk last night.

  he started off by saying how many jws are in prisons in other countries and how we need to be prepared for when we are persecuted by the governments because it will happen "soon".

  near the end of the talk he got into how our own minds often imagine the very worst case scenario and that this isn't good.

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  Hoser: The abuser blames the victim

  Always, it's part of the way it works.

  
  
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  August 2015 Awake! FML

  by InjusticeSystem in

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  i'm gonna have to stop reading this shit just for my own sanity and the survival of my computer.

  august 2015 awake!.

  can we please destroy this box that they keep publishing with some actual facts?

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  I'm a little confused by the expression "Albert Einstein’s theory of gravity."

  Modern theories of gravitation are generally associated with Isaac Newton, whereas, Einstein is more widely known for his ideas on relativity. Certainly, Einstein's work related to gravity, but to use this expression with its unusual association and not have any explanation for its use just seems odd.

  I suppose that's what happens when WT writers write about things they don't really understand. Maybe they fall into the category of people that think if you use Einstein's name in a sentence it makes you appear intelligent. I'm surprised they didn't also refer to "quantum mechanics" while they were at it!

  That being said, you may appreciate that in a largely favorable review of the work cited, the Encyclopedia of Scientific Principles, Laws, and Theories by Robert E. Krebs, reviewers Adam M. Kiefer and Kevin Drace pointed out a flaw in this work, one that is particular relevant to the point under discussion. They comment that this second edition continues the "erroneous presentation of theories being built from laws."

  Interesting! I bet the WT writer that lifted these blurbs in a failed attempt to appear smart wasn't aware of that!

  
  
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  rejection of your own founder?

  by Mr.logic in

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  what kind of confidence can anyone have in an organization that rejected its founder and first two presidents for the first 63 years of its existence?

  that's 53% of the time they existed!

  any comments.

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  Great point Mr. Logic!
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  Quick Question: Did Sanderson just get married?

  by breakfast of champions in

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  i'm fairly close to a source who would know.

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  and haven't heard anything indicating that.. but family said there was a pic of him on ig w/ his wife travelling to hawaii or something.. anyone know?.

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  it would be "close your eyes and count the days until the branch dedication in Tahiti"

  Ewww, You guys are creepy!
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  So I overheard a discussion that my son and wife were having about creation yesterday

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

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  so i am getting ready for bed yesterday night and i overhear my teenage son and wife talking about how the evidence of creation far outweighs the evidence of evolution.

  i heard my son say that evolution has so many holes and how could something happen from nothing.

  i wanted to open the door and ask them both how the creator happened from nothing just to see what they would say..

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  John Aquila, here is some more relevant WT obfuscation:
  

  Evolution-Myths and Facts:

  Before answering that question, we need to clear up something. Many scientists have noted that over time, the descendants of living things may change slightly. For example, humans can selectively breed dogs so that eventually the descendants have shorter legs or longer hair than their forebears.* Some scientists attach to such slight changes the term “microevolution.”

  However, evolutionists teach that small changes accumulated slowly over billions of years and produced the big changes needed to make fish into amphibians and apelike creatures into men. These proposed big changes are defined as “macroevolution.” - Was Life Created?, pp. 18-19
  
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  So I overheard a discussion that my son and wife were having about creation yesterday

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i am getting ready for bed yesterday night and i overhear my teenage son and wife talking about how the evidence of creation far outweighs the evidence of evolution.

  i heard my son say that evolution has so many holes and how could something happen from nothing.

  i wanted to open the door and ask them both how the creator happened from nothing just to see what they would say..

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  JA: what nelim said!

  Here's a quote along those lines:

  "The Bible does not specify how much variation can occur within a kind, as might result when animals within a kind interbreed and adapt to their environment. While some view such adaptations as a form of evolution, no new kind of life is produced." - Awake! January 2014, pp. 12-13

  But the same article also says this a few pages later:

  "To undermine belief in the creation account in Genesis is to undermine the very foundations of the Christian faith. Evolutionary theory and the teachings of Christ are incompatible."
  
  
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  So I overheard a discussion that my son and wife were having about creation yesterday

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i am getting ready for bed yesterday night and i overhear my teenage son and wife talking about how the evidence of creation far outweighs the evidence of evolution.

  i heard my son say that evolution has so many holes and how could something happen from nothing.

  i wanted to open the door and ask them both how the creator happened from nothing just to see what they would say..

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  John Aquila: Do you recall the publication or magazine where they acknowledge evolution? Thanks!

  No, off the top of my head I do not.

  But as I mentioned above, it wouldn't be an explicit "we believe in evolution" statement.

  I used to give several public talks on this subject and read everything by the WTBTS that I could get my hands on. It was clear that they understood that most people were confused about the differences between evolution and biogenesis (origins of life).

  Many of the society's publications clearly took advantage of this to create false dichotomies.
  

  For example, consider the title of the book, Life- How did it get here? By evolution or by creation?

  The very title sets up a false controversy. The real question should be: How did life get here, by direct creation by God or by purely natural means that do not require the existence of any kind of supreme/superior being?

  That doesn't exactly roll off of the tongue, but it more precisely frames the real issue: Is there a God or not?

  As I recall, the Reasoning book had a section on evolution that had a bit of verbal jiu-jistu by trying to confuse the householder with a question something like: "I find that different people mean different things by the word 'evolution.' What do you mean by it?"

  Simply put, evolution means: change over time. That is completely non-controversial and totally indisputable. We all know that the real debate is whether or not there is a God and all that that implies.
  
  
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  By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.

  by FadingTruth in

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  august 2015 awake .

  quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.

  why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.

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  By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.

  by FadingTruth in

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  august 2015 awake .

  quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.

  why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.

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  By “evolution,” we mean “macroevolution”—apes turning into humans, for example.

  by FadingTruth in

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  august 2015 awake .

  quote in title taken from article footnote.. anyone have information on who gene hwang and yan-der hsuuw in the article are?.

  why do they repeatedly state that apes turned to humans when that's not what evolutionists teach at all?.

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