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  INTERVIEW: with an Elder

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  elder: "i'm not sure i know what you mean by 'diversity.'.

  elder: "well, it's not quite like that.

  elder: "um.

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  GT: Interesting that he really didn't know what diversity even meant.

  Actually, Terry used the term in a slightly unconventional way initially and then changed his meaning several times during the discussion. Although every way the Terry used the term is within the range of meanings for the word, I think most people would have been uncertain how to respond.

  From reading the dialogue it becomes clear that Terry really was trying to get the elder to admit that no dissent, disagreement or questioning is allowed. The WTBTS is a totalitarian group insisting on complete, unquestioning obedience to the dictates of the leaders.
  
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  INTERVIEW: with an Elder

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  elder: "i'm not sure i know what you mean by 'diversity.'.

  elder: "well, it's not quite like that.

  elder: "um.

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  Here's an interesting article from Scientific American on diversity that you might want to read:

  How Diversity Makes Us Smarter

  Being around people who are different from us makes us more creative, more diligent and harder-working

  By Katherine W. Phillips | Sep 16, 2014

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  Here are a couple of quotes from that article:
  

  The fact is that if you want to build teams or organizations capable of innovating, you need diversity. Diversity enhances creativity. ... The findings are clear: for groups that value innovation and new ideas, diversity helps.

  Apply these quotes to the WT leaders and you immediately see the problem: they do NOT value or want innovation and new ideas.

  They just want to be adored. They are complete narcissists jealous of any competing ideas or attention.

  The leaders of the WTBTS absolutely do NOT want diversity. They have a track record over a century long of insisting on uniformity of belief and conformity to the dictates of the leadership. It's all about the obedience.

  Let's review: It's a cult!

  
  
  
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  INTERVIEW: with an Elder

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
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  elder: "i'm not sure i know what you mean by 'diversity.'.

  elder: "well, it's not quite like that.

  elder: "um.

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  Terry, you ripped him to shreds, but that wasn't really a fair fight. You had him on the ropes the whole time.

  The funny thing is that JWs, especially the elders, think they have "the Truth," but when engaged in a dialogue that asks the hard questions, they are totally at a loss.

  I'm surprised though that he didn't balk when you asked him about the Governing Body. That should have tipped him off that you are an "apostate" ex-JW.
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  They dared !

  by coalize in

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  i can't believe they had the cheek to come out with that explanation.. it's no more "new light" it's "new scam"!!

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  Paul certainly practiced what he preached, giving up a promising career in Judaism that could have brought him wealth and fame. - w2015 10/15, p. 22, paragraph 15
  

  Well that just isn't true!

  Paul may have given up wealth, but he certainly did not give up fame. As a result of his escapades recorded in the Bible, he is one of the most well known characters in all of Western Civilization for the last 2,000 years. He basically invented Christianity.
  

  Paul was all about the fame.
  
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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

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  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  Dubstepped: we should all be attacking why the elders are even trying to handle these matters in the first place. Child sexual abuse is a CRIME, not something that elders should even be hearing.

  Exactly!

  The elders are completely unqualified to handle such matters.

  It's delusional that they think they are. The elders of course believe this because they are told they are qualified by the WT leadership, people like Anthony Morris. Ultimately, the responsibility is at the top. They need to be called out for their corruption, hypocrisy and lies and held accountable.
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  A difficult yet necessary decision

  by Brother Jeramy in

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  the past five weeks have been perhaps the most painful in my life as a witness.. some months ago a young man (i'd say in his late thirties or early forties) began attending meetings at my kingdom hall.

  he had just moved to my area from another state.

  he had disassociated himself from his home congregation many years back, when he was 20 years old and going through many of the typical trials and temptations most young men experience.. two of the elders met with him initially, and they later shared the details with the body of elders.

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  Brother Jeramy, good for you!

  
  

  The way the WTBTS, and by extension, elders and all of the R&F JWs, has nothing to do with the parable of the Prodigal Son.

  
  

  My own disfellowshipping and subsequent reinstatement absolutely convinced me of that.

  
  

  God ain't got nothin to do with this religion.

  
  

  Let's review: It's a cult!
  
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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  FMF, yes I read your post about the PSA. I think you're right about it being purely a preemptive legal move back in the day, a CYAPSA!

  That's exactly why I asked if anyone ever saw it. I don't know anyone that did. Nevertheless, and as I pointed out above, that PSA is NOT about the real problem of PEDOPHILES WITHIN THE CONGREGATIONS and the WT POLICIES THAT SUPPORT THEM.

  I remember back in the late '80s - early '90s when the Catholic church's problem with pedophiles was coming to light. All of us JWs were gloating, "See that proves they're a false religion. We don't have a problem like that!"

  Well guess what. JWs have exactly the same problem: pedophiles in their midst, often men with positions of authority and responsibility, and a culture of denial and covering up by the leaders of the religion.

  Can you say, "Hypocrites"? I know you can!

  Let's review: It's a cult!

  
  
  
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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  Did anyone here ever see that old PSA from 2002?

  I was serving as an elder at the time. I never saw it nor did I ever hear about it. That being said, it is really addressing pedophiles OUTSIDE of the congregation, not INSIDE.

  ToMo is deflecting the real issue.

  Also, that new PSA is good in that it encourages young ones how to react if someone does something inappropriate and makes them feel uncomfortable in any way, but it still fails to address the problem of pedophiles in the organization!

  Hey Tony, howze about making a PSA that tells all of the R&F JWs and the elders to report any and all acts of child abuse to the police? I dare you to do the right thing? Can you?

  I doubt it. Deep down, you're a hypocrite and a coward.
  

  Let's review: It's a cult!

  
  
  
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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  What a bunch of bullshit propaganda. The so-called "New Morality" he talks about has nothing, repeat NOTHING, to do with pedophilia.

  It's just another bullshit diversionary tactic by ToMo.

  One word: SPIN!

  
  
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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  ToMo, Victims "should never be discouraged from reporting the incident [abuse] to the appropriate authorities."

  Why aren't they ENCOURAGED to do so?

  Oh, I know! Let's review: It's a cult!